国家枪支所有者协会拍摄了一部 The National Rifle Association has produced a film
会使您非常感兴趣的影片， which you are sure to find of great interest.
让我们一起来看看。 Let's look at it.
1999年4月20日的早晨和美国其他的早晨并没有什么不同， - It was the morning of April 20th, 1999.
And it was pretty much like any other morning in America.
农夫们开始上田劳作， The farmer did his chores,
送奶工也把牛奶送到了每家每户。 the milkman made his deliveries,
总统先生又下令轰炸了一个我 们连它的名字都拼不全的国家。 the president bombed another country
whose name we couldn't pronounce.
在北达科他州的法尔戈，凯瑞.麦克威廉 姆斯开始了他每天习惯性的清晨散步。 Out in Fargo, North Dakota,
Carry McWilliams went on his morning walk.
在密歇根州，休斯夫人向她的学生 们宣布，学校新的一天又开始了。 Back in Michigan, Mrs. Hughes welcomed her students
for another day of school.
而在科罗拉多州的一个小城市，有 两个男孩决定早上6点去打保龄球。 And out in a little town in Colorado,
two boys went bowling
at six in the morning.
没错，只是美国很平常的一天而已。 Yes, it was a typical day in the United States
of America.
我能帮您什么吗？ -是的，我想开个帐户。 - Can I help you? - Uh, yeah,
I'm here to open up an account.
是什么样的帐户呢？ - Okay, what type of account would you like?
嗯，就是那种可以用来得到免费步枪的。 OK。 - Um, I want the account where I can, uh, get the free gun.
在密歇根的当地报纸上，北 方银行做了这么一个广告： - Okay.
- I'd spotted an ad in the local Michigan paper
that said if you opened an account at North Country Bank,
谁要是开设一个帐户， 就会获赠一支步枪。 the bank would give you a gun. - You do a CD
我们只需要一笔存入金额， 您可以仔细看看我们的宣传材料。 and we'll hand you a gun.
We have a whole brochure here that you can look at.
只要我们一搞定有关您的帐户信息， 您就可以领走您的步枪了。 Once we do the background check and everything,
it's yours to go. - Okay. Well, all right,
对，我就是要这么一个帐户。 well, that's the account I'd like to open.
在我们的保险库里 We have a vault, which at all times we keep at least
我们总是存有至少500件武器。 -500件？在保险库里？ 500 firearms. - Five-hundred of these,
you have in your vault? - In our vault.
但我们必须鉴定一下您以前的记录。 -这儿？在银行里？ - Wow.
- We have to do a background check.
是的，我们是合法经授权的武器经销商。 - At the bank here? - At the bank,
which we are a licensed firearm dealer.
真的？既是银行又是武器经销商？ - Oh, you are? You're a bank and a licensed firearm dealer.
那我在种族这儿填什么？白人？高加索裔？ What do I put for "race"? White or Caucasian or...?
高加索裔。 - Caucasian. - Caucasian.
怕的就是这个。 是这么写的吧......高-加-索-裔？ - I knew you were gonna make me spell the... Cau-ca-sian.
没错吧？ -对，没错。 Is that right? - Yes.
这并不重要。 I don't think that's the part they're gonna be worried about.
“您以前是否被鉴定出过患有精神类疾 病或是接受过任何种类的心理治疗？” 这并不重要。 I don't think that's the part they're gonna be worried about.
“您以前是否被鉴定出过患有精神类疾 病或是接受过任何种类的心理治疗？”
"Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective “您以前是否被鉴定出过患有精神类疾 病或是接受过任何种类的心理治疗？”
or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?" “您以前是否被鉴定出过患有精神类疾 病或是接受过任何种类的心理治疗？”
or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"
我从来没接受过心理治疗，不过 什么叫“被鉴定出患有精神类疾病？” I've never been committed to a mental institution.
What does that mean,
是指和犯罪记录相关的法院鉴定。 "Have I ever been adjudicated mentally defective"?
啊，是这样的，那就是说，如果我只 是在一般的精神方面有障碍的话...... 对，没错（那就没问题了......） - It would be something involved with a crime.
So if I'm just normally mentally defective but not criminal...
给你，麦克。 -非常感谢。 - Yeah, exactly.
- There you go, Mike. - Okay. Thank you very much. Wow.
我自己也有一支， 很不错的， - I had one personally-- - That's a nice tension.
绝对是支精准的步枪，我告诉您。 - It is and it's a straight-shooter,
let me tell ya.
Wow... 是很棒。 - Wow. Sweet.
难道您不认为这样还是有点危险的， 我是说就这样在银行里交接步枪？ Well, here's my first question: You think
it's a little dangerous, handing out guns in a bank?
- Ten-ho!
每支枪都会弄出很响的噪声， 您自己抠扳机听听看！ - Each gun makes lots of battle sounds.
Just press the trigger, and listen.
听上去像是发生了枪战！ 在那边！ - That sounds like a gun battle. Over there.
是真的吗？ -看上去像真的一样。 - Is it real? - Looks like real!
听上去也是！ Hey, it sounds like real!
没错，马克思生产的军用及 西部枪支的声音就是这样！ - Right! The Sound-O-Power military and western rifles
by Marx!
这是我的第一支步枪。 - This was my first gun.
我真是等不及得想带上它出去四处游荡。 I couldn't wait to go outside and shoot up the neighbourhood.
美好的过去啊...... Those were the days. "I was born
"in Michigan
"and I wish and wish again that I was back
"in the town where I was born"
在我还是个孩子时我就是个很棒的射手， 甚至还赢得过国家枪支所有者协会的 - By the time I was a teenager,
I was such a good shot
I won the National Rifle Association's
大师射手奖。 Markman award. You see,
我在密歇根长大，那儿 是武器爱好者的天堂。 I grew up in Michigan,
a gun-lover's paradise.
正像这位先生，这位演员， 奥斯卡奖获得者， And so did this man,
the Oscar-winning actor and president
国家枪支所有者协会的主席： 查尔顿.赫斯顿先生一样， of the National Rifle Association,
Mr. Charlton Heston.
在我们州所有人都很喜欢打猎。 We come from a state where everyone
loves to go hunting.
甚至那些猎犬也是。 - Hah. - Even the dogs.
I地的两个猎人 - There were actually two of the hunters at camp.
想把狗装扮成猎人来拍照，就是想逗个乐子， They thought they'd get a few pictures
of the dog dressed up as a hunter
to kind of just have some fun around camp.
其中一个建议，把猎枪绑在狗的背上， And one of the guys had the idea that,
"Why don't we sling a rifle on the dog's back
就是为了看上去更有趣一点， to make the pictures a little more interesting.
当受害人在狗面前跪下的时候， 枪走火了， The victim was kneeling down in front of the dog
when the weapon slipped.
一颗子弹穿透了受害者的胫骨， The one round went through the victim's shin,
the right part of his shin,
又从小腿肚穿出。 and came out through the back of his calf.
警方是否已经把这条猎犬看管起来了？ - Was the dog hauled off for any period of time by the police?
没有。 - No, it wasn't. No.
密歇根的法律是这样的，人类 可以犯罪，但动物就...... Um, in Michigan, the law basically states
that people can commit crimes that animals
并不是一个......它们确实 也并不会犯罪...... aren't some... form of, uh, you know,
whatever that can commit a crime.
那就是说，动物在这个州是 不会成为被告的？ -对，就是这样。 - An animal cannot commit a crime
or be charged with a crime in this state.
那是否存在这样一种可能， 就是说，那条狗知道它干了什么？ - Exactly. - Is it possible that the dog
这我不知道，不能给您明确的回答。 knew what it was doing? - That, I don't know.
I really wouldn't be able to tell you that.
那条狗穿得像猎人一样， 无疑显得相当滑稽...... The dog was cute dressed up as a hunter,
这些照片很有趣。 there's no doubt about it. I mean, it was a funny picture,
um, you know, to look at.
看这些照片确实让人感到有趣。 It was... it was kind of neat.
没错，我就是来自于这样的一个地方， - Yup, this was the kind of place I was from.
一盒270号。 -马上。 A box
of 270s. - Coming up.
给您。 -太棒了！ There you go. - Perfect.
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
呕，对不起...... Sorry about that, sorry.
- So I've been discharged.
没掉。 - You don't need no gun control. You know what you need?
我们并不需要武器管制， 我们需要的是弹药管制， 没掉。 - You don't need no gun control. You know what you need?
我们并不需要武器管制， 我们需要的是弹药管制，
We need some bullet control. 我们并不需要武器管制， 我们需要的是弹药管制，
We need some bullet control.
我们必须管制弹药，相信我， We need to control the bullets, that's right.
每颗子弹应该要价5000美金， I think all bullets should cost $5,000.
5000元一颗，你们知道为什么吗？ $5,000 for a bullet. You know why?
如果每颗子弹都5000元的话， 就不会再出现“无辜的”混蛋了， 'Cause if a bullet cost $5,000,
there'd be no more innocent bystanders.
[ clapping and cheering ]
如果一个人被打死了，那意味着， “他肯定是罪有应得， Every time
somebody get shot, people are,
"Damn, he must've did something."
要不怎么会有人愿意把5000美金打进他的屁股。” See, they put $50,000's worth of bullets in his ass!"
在准备打死一个人前，人们 就会先考虑价钱问题： And people'd think before they killed somebody
for a bullet that cost $5,000!
“我会打爆你的脑袋，如果 我能负担起子弹的价格的话， "Man, I would blow your fucking head off --
if I could afford it."
我会找份临时工，再存一点钱， I'm gonna get me another job,
I'm gonna start saving some money, and you a dead man.
不久你就是个死人了， I'm gonna start saving some money, and you a dead man.
算你走运，要是我能贷款买子弹的话......” You better hope I can't get no bullets on layaway.
在离查尔顿.赫斯顿和我的故乡不远的地方 就有一个密歇根国民卫队的训练营地。 - Not far from where Charlton Heston and I grew up
is a training ground for the Michigan Militia.
为什么你们要用保龄球瓶？ Why do you use the bowling pins?
从防卫术角度来看它们属于小的目标， - From a self-defence or whatever tactical standpoint,
而且它们有像人一样的大小， 如果要射其中一个的话。 it's a small target, which also represents
the vitals on a... on a human being,
if you ever had to shoot at one.
密歇根的国民卫队之所以会全世界闻名， 是因为1995年4月19号，两个经常参加 - The Michigan Militia became known around the world
when, on April 19th, 1995, two guys living in Michigan
民兵训练的男人，提摩西.麦克怀恩和特瑞.尼古拉斯， who had attended Militia meetings,
Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols,
把俄克拉何马城的联邦机构炸上了天， 夺走了168条无辜生命...... blew up the federal building
in Oklahoma City,
killing 168 people.
密歇根的国民卫队急着想证明，他们并 不等同于麦克怀恩和尼古拉斯， The Michigan Militia wanted everyone to know
that they were nothing like McVeigh and Nichols.
在美国，把自己武装起来是每个人的传统和义务， - This is an American tradition.
It's an American responsibility to be armed.
谁不武装自己，就是一种不负责任的态度， If you're not armed, you're not responsible.
谁来保卫我们的孩子？ 警察吗？政府吗？ Who's gonna defend your kids, the cops?
The federal government? No, none of them.
一个都不是。 The federal government? No, none of them.
一个都不是。
保卫自己是你自己的义务。 It's your job to defend you and yours. 一个都不是。
保卫自己是你自己的义务。 It's your job to defend you and yours.
谁要是不行动起来的话，就是没尽到他的公民义务。就是这样。 If you don't do it, you're in dereliction of duty,
as an American. Period.
人们应该知道，我们会帮助他们， - We're here to let them know we're here to help.
我们不是害群之马，而是大众的保护者。 We're not the bogeymen we're made out to be.
We're here to help and defend the people of this country.
像你们一样的，人们会很愿意和你们作邻居， - I'm sure you guys are the kind of people
哪里情况紧急，你们就会出现在那里， that people would like to have as their neighbour.
If somebody's in need, you're there to help them.
我们只是一些有自己工作的普通人， 在这儿所做的一切都是利用我们的业余时间， - Pretty much. We're all normal people. We all have regular jobs
and this is what we do on our time.
你是干什么的？ -做设计绘图的。 - What kind of a job do you have? - I'm a draftsman.
你呢？ -现在还失业。 - How about you? - Unemployed right now.
你呢，法兰克？ 一家暖气公司的卡车司机。 - Frank, what do you do for a living?
- I work for a heat trading company.
那你呢？ -不动产经纪人。 I drive a truck for 'em. - Okay. How about you?
- I'm a real-estate negotiator - Real-estate negotiator!
不动产经纪人？ 一份干净的办公室工作。 - White collar all the way.
你不会在工作时也把它带上吧？ - You don't bring that with you, though, do you,
当然不。 when you're negotiating the real estate?
你住哪儿？ -西面。 - No.
- Where do you live, in suburban--
你家里有什么武器？ 一支Smith & Wesson， 9毫米口径。 - Westland. - So what do you have
in your home? - Smith & Wesson 9-millimetre.
你呢？ -12 盖其（枪械名） - Nine-millimetre? - Yeah.
- And how about you? - With hollow points.
- Twelve gage.
那你呢？ 一支M16。 - Twelve gage at home? - Yeah.
家里？ - How about you? - M-16.
- At home? - Yeah.
对，近在手边。 At the ready. - I don't agree with that,
你究竟知不知道，你的手要怎么握？ 'cause you gotta worry about where your arms are going.
- I know where they're gonna go when I aim and shoot.
我知道射击时我该怎么握枪。 - I know where they're gonna go when I aim and shoot.
是谁想到用日历这个主意的？ - Whose idea was the calendar?
也许是基尔斯腾。 -一张图片胜过千言万语。 - That'd probably be Christian.
首先它展示了一个人们有可能从 未指望国民卫队能达到的水平， - A picture's worth 1,000 words. A) it demonstrates a level
of sophistication that you wouldn't expect out of Militia;
第二，我们也只是普通人而已。 B) you know,
we're people too. - Right.
这很有趣。 -也给我们带来了收益，而且表达了这么一种意思， - And we have a lot of fun with it.
- Right. - There was a fundraiser.
就是我们也不是一直都那么死板。 It showed, um, that we're not so serious, you know.
我们并不是疯狂的宣誓效忠者，就想隐姓埋名地做事。 We're not these conspiracy nuts who wouldn't want our pictures
to get out. The idea... it was a fundraiser, you know...
这就是一个制造乐趣的行动。 to get out. The idea... it was a fundraiser, you know...
这就是一个制造乐趣的行动。
我在我足够大 - I've had guns, um... 这就是一个制造乐趣的行动。
我在我足够大 - I've had guns, um...
的时候就开始拥有武器。 pretty much since I was old enough to...
我认真学过应该怎么处理和使用武器。 to have them. And I learned how to use them, um...
不要吵了...... You're silly!
就作为女性来说 Uh, because being a female, number one,
首先，我认为能尽可能的保护自己是一件非常重要的事。 I felt it was important to be able to protect myself
为此就需要武器。 with the best means possible.
And one of those means is having a gun.
如果碰到入室撬窃或抢劫，你会先打哪个电话？ When a criminal breaks into your house,
who's the first person you're gonna call?
大多数人会打给警察，因为他们有武器。 Most people will call the police because they have guns.
忘了他们吧！你得自己保护好你的家人。 Cut out the middleman. Take care of your own family yourself.
谁该来保护你的家人，如果不是你自己的话？ If you're not going to protect your family, who is?
我们并不是种族主义者，极端分子，原教旨主义者， - We're not racist, we're not extremist,
恐怖分子，好战分子或者类似的蠢货， we're not fundamentalist, we're not terrorists or militants
or other such nonsense. - We're citizens.
我们是努力完成义务的美国良好公民。 - We're just concerned citizens. We have a desire
to fulfil our responsibilities and duties as Americans,
而一支步枪是其中不可缺少的组成部分之一。 and armed citizenry is part of that.
- What do you grow here? - Right now, there's tofu beans,
你种些什么？ --现在种做豆腐的大豆，黄豆什么的。 - What do you grow here? - Right now, there's tofu beans,
你种些什么？ --现在种做豆腐的大豆，黄豆什么的。
soy beans. Tofu-soy beans. 你种些什么？ --现在种做豆腐的大豆，黄豆什么的。
哈，你是个豆腐农民。 --没错，我种植食物。 - You're a tofu farmer. - Yeah. Yeah, food farmer.
吃的食物，你懂不懂？ I'm a food farmer. - Food.
- I grow food for people to eat.
完全不用除莠剂或是杀虫剂的。 No herbicides, no pesticides on that stuff.
知道知道。绿色环保食品。 - Right. All natural. - Right.
是更好的。 --生物技术制品。 - Yeah. Better. - Certified organic.
更健康的......没错。 - Uh-huh. Healthier. - Yeah.
Basically, yeah.
这位是詹姆斯.尼古拉斯，特瑞.尼古拉斯的哥哥。 This is James Nichols, the brother of Terry Nichols.
詹姆斯和我是同一届的中学毕业生，不过是在邻近的学区。 James graduated from high school the same year I did,
in the district next to mine.
就在这个位于密歇根德克的农场，麦克怀恩和他们兄 弟在俄克拉何马大爆炸前在这儿做了测试用的炸弹。 On this farm in Decker, Michigan,
McVeigh and the Nichols brothers made practice bombs
before Oklahoma City.
特瑞和詹姆斯在爆炸案后一起被捕。 Terry and James were both arrested in connection
检察机关认定麦克怀恩 to the bombing. [ TV news ]: U.S. attorneys
和尼古拉斯兄弟间有联系。 formally linked the Nichols brothers of Michigan
with Oklahoma bomb suspect Timothy McVeigh.
詹姆斯出席了审判，特瑞没有。他们 Officials charged James, who was at the hearing,
and Terry, who was not, with conspiring
被控犯有制造炸弹罪。 to make and possess small bombs.
特瑞.尼古拉斯被判有罪，最后结果为终身监禁。 - Terry Nichols was convicted and received a life sentence.
提摩西.麦克怀恩最后被处决。 Timothy McVeigh was executed. But the feds
针对詹姆斯最后由于证据不足，控告被撤消。 didn't have the goods on James,
我很高兴能重获自由，能够重新正常生活。 so the charges were dropped. - I'm just glad
to be out and free, so I can get on with my life.
提摩西.麦克怀恩住过这儿吗？ --是的，住过。 - Did Timothy McVeigh ever stay here?
- Yes. Yes. He stayed here several times.
来过几次。最长的一次大概有3个月。 - Yes. Yes. He stayed here several times.
来过几次。最长的一次大概有3个月。
For the longest period, about three months or so, I dunno. 来过几次。最长的一次大概有3个月。
其实他是个和善的小伙子。 But, uh, he was a nice guy. 来过几次。最长的一次大概有3个月。
其实他是个和善的小伙子。 But, uh, he was a nice guy.
也很正派？ - Decent guy? - Oh, yeah.
警察在这儿没找到什么？ --什么东西？ - They didn't find anything on this farm.
炸弹的材料？ --炸药什么的。 - As to what,
bomb-making material? - Any kind of explosives.
嗯......找到一些甘油炸药引爆器，导火索，黑火药之类的。 - Uh, yeah, I had blasting caps, dynamite blasting caps,
dynamite fuse, black powder, you know?
可以用于前膛枪，柴油机，肥料制造， 但都只是一些一般的农场常用品。 For muzzle loaders and... Sure.
Diesel fuel, fertilizer, but, uh, that is normal farm stuff
根本和俄克拉何马城的大爆炸无关。 that is no way connected any way whatsoever to, uh,
the Oklahoma City bombing or bomb making.
当那些执法者，我是说如果人们愿意 这么称呼他们的话，在这儿的时候， Them people - law enforcement, if you wanna call 'em that -
他们都怕得发抖， were here and they were shaking in their shoes.
战战兢兢，怕死的要命。 They were physically shaking. Scared to death.
为什么会这样？ - Of?
他们以为会再次发生血腥流血事件， 因为有些人...... - Because they thought this was gonna be another Waco.
Because certain people...
比如我的前妻和另外的一些人， namely my ex-wife and other people,
就说我是这样的一个危险分子----- 每只手臂下，每条腿旁， said I'm a radical, I'm a wild man,
I got a gun under every arm, down every leg and every shoe,
每只鞋子里，全身每个角落都有武器， I got a gun under every arm, down every leg and every shoe,
每只鞋子里，全身每个角落都有武器，
谁要敢说我什么，我就会一枪干掉他。 every corner of the house. 每只鞋子里，全身每个角落都有武器，
谁要敢说我什么，我就会一枪干掉他。 every corner of the house.
You say anything to me, I'll shoot ya.
唉，如果人们能知道，他们被骗成什么样的话...... If the people find out how they've been ripped off
他们被我们的政府奴化了， and... and enslaved in this country by the government,
就是被那些当权者...... by the powers-to-be...
如果他们知道是怎么回事的话， 准保会满怀愤怒起来造反， they will revolt, with anger,
绝对是不可忍受的愤怒，将会血流成河的。 with merciless anger.
There'll be blood running in the streets.
如果一个政府实施的是专制统治， 那老百姓就有义务把它推翻。 When a government turns tyrannical,
it is your duty to overthrow it.
为什么不用甘地的方法？ 他不用武器也打败了大英帝国。 - Well, why not use Gandhi's way?
He didn't have any guns,
and he beat the British empire.
我不清楚这事。 - I'm not familiar with that.
在奥斯科答这儿，环境并不是很好， 不大容易分辨出精神变态的家伙。 - Oscoda has a bad habit of raising psychos.
Bad habit of it.
这是布兰特， - This is Brent.
这是他的弟兄“DJ”， And this is his buddy DJ.
他们住在密歇根州的奥斯科答， 离尼古拉斯农场不远的地方， They live in Oscoda, Michigan,
across the bay from the Nichols farm.
埃里克.哈里斯，后来在科罗拉多州制造柯伦拜 学校惨案的家伙，在这儿曾度过一段童年时光。 Eric Harris,
who would later go on to commit the massacre
at Columbine High School in Colorado,
spent part of his childhood here.
Eric lived on the air-force base in Oscoda,
埃里克当时住在奥斯科答的空军基地，因为当时 由于海湾战争，他父亲是飞行员，驻扎在那里。 Eric lived on the air-force base in Oscoda,
埃里克当时住在奥斯科答的空军基地，因为当时 由于海湾战争，他父亲是飞行员，驻扎在那里。
where his dad flew planes during the Gulf War. 埃里克当时住在奥斯科答的空军基地，因为当时 由于海湾战争，他父亲是飞行员，驻扎在那里。
在战争中，百分之二十的炸弹是由 从奥斯科答起飞的轰炸机投下的。 Twenty percent of all the bombs dropped in that war 埃里克当时住在奥斯科答的空军基地，因为当时 由于海湾战争，他父亲是飞行员，驻扎在那里。
在战争中，百分之二十的炸弹是由 从奥斯科答起飞的轰炸机投下的。 Twenty percent of all the bombs dropped in that war
were from planes that took off from Oscoda.
我问布兰特是否还记得埃里克。 I asked Brent if he remembered anything about Eric.
我自己并不认识他，我来的 时候，他已经离开这个地方了。 - I never knew him, but I knew of him.
He left here before I got here. I've only lived here seven years
我来这儿才7年。 off and on. - He was about the same age
那你认识认识埃里克的人吗？ as you, so you must have people in your class--
是的，我一个朋友认识他， 他们曾经同班。 - A friend of mine knows him, he was in class with him.
He's lived here all his life.
我简直傻掉了，在我听到消息的时候。 - I went to school with him and it shocked me to hear it
首先，竟然是从这儿出去的一个家伙做出了这种事情。 on the news.
That especially a kid from here would be doing that.
我很高兴我被这儿的学校开除了。 - I didn't last too long in high school.
I got kicked out, I got expelled.
为了什么？ - Why was that? - I had a run-in with a kid
我和一名同学吵架，然后拔出了武器。 one time and I pulled a weapon on him, I pulled a gun on him.
什么样的武器？ --9毫米口径的。 - What kind of gun? - Nine-millimetre.
可能会变得更糟的。 --更糟？ I could've made a mess out of that situation.
更糟。你也可能会成为像埃里克.哈里斯一样的家伙的。 - Could've been worse. - Could've been a lot worse.
然后你就被开除了？ --对，开除380天...... - Could've been Eric Harris. - It could've been.
- So they kicked you out? - Yeah, they kicked me out
或者是165天...... 反正就是一个学年。 for 380 days or 165 days, whatever a full school year is.
在很长一段时间里，我打算 过搬去科罗拉多州。 - For the longest time, that's what my plan was, to move out
去科罗拉多州？ --我有亲戚在那儿。 to Colorado. - Colorado?
- 'Cause I've got family out there.
我的叔叔甚至还是柯伦拜学校的管理员呢。 Matter of fact, one of my uncles is a janitor
for Columbine School.
真的吗?那发生那件事之后 为什么重回奥斯科答? - Really? - Yeah.
- After Columbine, what was it like here in Oscoda?
就因为在这儿的坏名声,所以我是 被重点看管人物,排第二位. - My name was second-highest on the bomb list,
because of the reputation you get in this town.
什么?真的还有这么一份名单...... - Why? You mean they did a list of--
嫌疑犯名单。 - Of suspects. - Of students who potentially--
哈，有可能用炸弹威胁柯伦拜中学的学生？ - Yeah. - ...would call in a bomb threat
after Columbine? - Yes.
然后在这个名单上你排名第二或第三？ --是的，第二或第三位。 - And you were number two on the list?
- I was second or third on the list, yeah.
为什么？ - Why is that? - Because the whole fact is,
就是因为...... 这个城市让人堕落。 为什么？ - Why is that? - Because the whole fact is,
就是因为...... 这个城市让人堕落。
like I said, this town really gets people down. 就是因为...... 这个城市让人堕落。
那他们怎么会联想到你的呢？ - Yeah, but why did they single you out? 就是因为...... 这个城市让人堕落。
那他们怎么会联想到你的呢？ - Yeah, but why did they single you out?
我从来就是个问题小孩。 - Because I was a troubled kid. - You were in trouble in school?
不喜欢学校？ ---是的。 - Oh, yeah. Why did they put you
但为什么偏偏是你排第二位呢？ number two on their list, after Columbine,
还有更危险的？ of the students that could be a threat?
总有个理由吧？ ---好吧...... Come on, there must be a reason. - Well, okay. The thing is,
我有那本名为《无政府主义者的菜谱》的书， I have a thing, it's called the "Anarchist Cookbook."
里面教人怎么制作炸弹。 It shows you how to make bombs and stuff like that.
所以一有什么事发生，他们就来 找我，其实根本就不需要这样。 If there's anything that went wrong,
they're gonna come to me first.
就因为你有这本书？ And I don't need that. - Just 'cause you owned a copy
你从没做过炸弹吧？ ---不......是的，做是做过的， of the book? - Just because I own a copy--
- Never made a bomb yourself? - No. Oh, I've made 'em.
不是什么很大的， 比根管子还小的那种。 It was nothing big; it wasn't even as big as a pipe bomb.
就是那种小网球炸弹。 It was just... some make it like a little tennis-ball bomb
or something like that.
我照着那本书最后仿制出来的东西， Out of the "Anarchist Cookbook," the latest thing I built...
I think, would have to be... I think I made it, like,
是一个20升的凝固汽油弹。 about a good five-gallon drum of napalm.
自制的凝固汽油弹。 You know, homemade napalm.
你的同学知道这件事吗？ - Kids knew that you were doing this?
你在名单上是第二位。那谁排第一？ - Yeah. - So you were number two, then,
on the list. - Right.
很让我恼火的就是他们就是不告诉我他的名字。 - Who was number one? - I don't know.
They never told me that name. Which kind of made me mad.
是因为你不是第一才恼火吧？ 是的，......我知道这很蠢。 'Cause I didn't make it to number one.
I know it's kind of silly, but I guess
但这确实是一件很能提升自我的事情。 it'd been kind of an ego thing, knowing that I was number one
我能成为在奥斯科答的首位人物，哪怕是在炸弹危险人物名单上...... at something in Oscoda, even if it was a bomb-threat list.
- Do you believe it was right
你认为俄克拉合马城的炸弹事件是正确的吗？ to blow up the building in Oklahoma City?
我不会说出去的...... ---不，不...... I'm not saying you did it. - No. No, no, no.
为什么大楼被炸飞了？ 这倒是个好问题。 为什么大楼被炸飞了？ - I'm just saying: was it right? - Why was it "blowed up"?
That's a good question. Why was that building "blowed up"?
并且，是谁干的？ And who blew it up? - But if someone did it,
但确实有人做了，这应该是件错事， 是吧？ it would be wrong. - Yeah.
是， 杀人总是不对的吧？ 是 - It is wrong to take the lives of those people.
- Yeah.
我用我的笔，因为它有时比剑更有威力。 I use the pen. 'Cause the pen is mightier than the sword.
但人们总是应该有一把剑来 备用，以防笔失灵的时候。 But you always must keep a sword handy, for when the pen fails.
我睡觉时枕头下会垫一把44号MAGNUM。 I sleep with a .44 Magnum under my pillow.
哈，所有人都这么说的。 - Come on... That's what everyone says.
是真的吗？ ---是真的。 Is that true? - It's true.
全世界都知道。 - If we were to go-- - The whole world knows that.
现在你枕头下就有一把？ - ...look under your pillow right now, would we see a .44 Magnum?
真的？ 能给我们看一下吗？ - Yeah. - Honestly?
Would you take us and show us? Right now?
他带我去他的卧室，但摄影师必须呆在外面。 He took me into his bedroom, but told the cameraman
to stay out. Sure enough,
枕头下真的有一把44号MAGNUM手枪。 there was a .44 Magnum under his pillow.
就是他。 子弹上膛了吗？ There it is. Okay. Is it loaded?
- Aye-yay-yay.
- Okay. I believe you.
尼克尔斯拉了一下保险， 把枪对准了自己的太阳穴， NICHOLS HAS COCKED THE GUN AND PUT IT TO HIS TEMPLE.
你把枪对着自己的头？ [ laughing ] Don't do that!
没事的？ ---子弹可是已经上膛了！ You put the gun to your head. - I know!
- Jeez! - I'm not gonna get hurt!
- This is loaded. - It's loaded, it's safe.
但是没什么危险。 You've got to pull the trigger, pull the hammer and shoot it.
扣下扳机，松开撞针，子弹才会射出来。 但是没什么危险。 You've got to pull the trigger, pull the hammer and shoot it.
扣下扳机，松开撞针，子弹才会射出来。
那你松开撞针。 - Mm, put the hammer back. - No one has a right to tell me 扣下扳机，松开撞针，子弹才会射出来。
那你松开撞针。 - Mm, put the hammer back. - No one has a right to tell me
没人能从我这儿拿走它， 因为宪法不允许。 that I can't have it. That is protected
in our constitution. - Where's it say a handgun
你是说手枪？ is protected? - No, gun. We should...
不，是射击武器。 ---可这上面并没写射击武器阿？ Every citizen-- - It doesn't say "gun"!
那儿写着武器。 ---究竟什么是武器呢？ It says "arms." - Arms. What is arms?
比如贫铀弹。 ---完全正确。 - Could be a nuclear weapon. - It's not these-- That's right,
it could be a nuclear weapon! - You think you should have
你是不是认为在你的农场你也 应该有权拥有原子弹？ the right to have weapons-grade plutonium here on the farm?
能作武器的原子弹？ ---我并不想要那个。 - We should be able to have anything--
- Should you have weapons-grade plutonium?
但应该有这个权利？ - I don't want it. - But should you have the right
to have it if you did want it? - That should be restricted.
还是应该有限制的。 - Ah! Ah, so you do believe in some restrictions.
你还是相信应该有限制的？ 还是应该有限制的。 - Ah! Ah, so you do believe in some restrictions.
你还是相信应该有限制的？
外面疯子太多了。 - Well, there's wackos out there. 你还是相信应该有限制的？
外面疯子太多了。 - Well, there's wackos out there.
"Happiness is a warm gun
"Bang bang shoot shoot" [ TV news ]: The town of Virgin,
犹他州的维京市规定， Utah, has passed a law requiring all residents to own guns.
每个居民允许拥有一项武器。 犹他州的维京市规定， Utah, has passed a law requiring all residents to own guns.
每个居民允许拥有一项武器。
射那个傻瓜！
凯力.麦克威连姆斯很自豪地向 我们展示他的射击考试成绩， - Cary McWilliams proudly displays the target
he used to pass his shooting test.
而他自己实际上并不能看见， 因为他是个瞎子。 But the thing is, he can't see it.
He's blind.
从他小时候第一次把一支M16握在 手里开始，凯力就喜欢上了武器。 Cary has had a love affair with guns
since he first got his hands on an M-16 as a teenager.
我喜欢那种手握快速射击武器的感觉。 - I'm actually most comfortable with assault rifles.
- Woo-hoo!
这儿是个很好的养育孩子 的地区。真的很棒。 - This is a great place to raise your children.
A really great place to raise your kids.
我们是个很团结的团体。 Very close-knit community we have here.
每个人都关心他人。 ---就是说都是好人？ Everybody looks out for everybody.
- Good people. - Good people.
就是在这么个地方， - This just happens to be a place where two young men
两个年轻人经过很艰难的思考作出了一个决定。 就是在这么个地方， - This just happens to be a place where two young men
两个年轻人经过很艰难的思考作出了一个决定。
made very bad, very wrong decisions. 两个年轻人经过很艰难的思考作出了一个决定。
这之后发生的事情举世皆知。 And there's been international notoriety as a result of it. 两个年轻人经过很艰难的思考作出了一个决定。
这之后发生的事情举世皆知。 And there's been international notoriety as a result of it.
一般来说LITTELTON和其他的郊区没什么两样。 Other than that,
I don't know that Littleton is a lot different
than a whole lot of other suburban communities.
发展经济 宣传影片 Economic Development P.R. Video
早上好，爱得华先生， 我想通知您， - Good morning, Mr. Edwards, members of the board.
I'd like to report that I've found the perfect location
我已经为我们公司的新总部找到 了一个理想的地方，就是South Metro Denver。 for our new corporate office, South Metro Denver.
您瞧，我并不需要呆在这儿， You can see,
South Metro Denver那边有和 这儿一样多的阳光和雨水。 I don't need these. Because South Metro Denver
has about the same amount of sunshine and precipitation
就像南加利福尼亚。 as Southern California. It's so incredible,
真不敢相信。 那就说服您自己。 you're just gonna have to see it for yourselves.
您觉得怎么样，爱德华先生？ How's this look, Mr. Edwards?
我们处于丹佛的南面，这个地方叫 Littleton。 Denny Fennel Home Security Consultant
- We're south of Denver, in a community called Littleton,
这儿是一座适合中产阶级的 典型的郊区房子。 and this house is pretty much
your average middle-class suburban home.
附近可能就隐藏着强盗或是强奸犯， The burglar or the rapist is still here
in the neighbourhood somewhere.
有时侯一些居民跑来就跟我这么说...... And so citizens sometimes think that...
那强盗或是强奸犯到底在哪儿呢？ I have people tell me all the time--
- Where exactly is the burglar or rapist right now?
如果我在这儿想干掉您的话， If I was to try and stab you through this, right here,
那您就要离得很近，对不对？ you're gonna have to be really close. Right?
是的，最终结果来说是这样的。 ---那如果我要是有根长矛呢？ - And here's the bottom line on this.
- What if I had a spear?
下面弄了个保险库。 - Now, downstairs is where the safe-room was constructed,
这真是扇很厉害的门，一扇很重的门。 and this is a solid-core door, a very heavy door.
闯入者必须先打开这扇门。一个大障碍。 And now, the criminal has to break through this door,
so you've created another barrier.
用这个斧子行了吧。 ----对。 - An axe would do it. - An axe would do it.
我觉得，柯伦拜高中时间至少改变了两件事。 I think that Columbine did a couple of things.
第一，我们的谈话方式。 One is that it changed how we talk. That's the first thing.
为什么？ - How's that? - Well, for instance,
当我说出柯伦拜这个名字的 时候，谁都知道我在说什么， if I say "Columbine," everybody knows what it means.
我不需要跟任何人解释，柯伦拜是...... I don't have to explain to you that Columbine...
怎么了？ ----没什么...... - Is... What's wrong? - Nothing, I just...
到底怎么了？ - What's wrong? - I-- I just...
有时侯听到这个名字就让我窒息...... sometimes Columbine bothers me. I'll be fine. Just a minute.
很快就会好的...... 好了，没事了。 - That's okay, that's okay. - Um...
有些东西..... There... there's something, um...
拥有强大力量的...... something overwhelming about that kind of... viciousness,
阴险恶毒的东西，这种恶魔样的方式...... that kind of predatory action, that kind of indiscriminate, uh,
这些无辜的...... 阴险恶毒的东西，这种恶魔样的方式...... that kind of predatory action, that kind of indiscriminate, uh,
这些无辜的......
发生的事情。 killing. 这些无辜的......
发生的事情。 killing.
世界最大的武器经销商。 World's Largest Weapons Maker
这儿的工厂， - This facility, where we're located right now...
还有两个另外的有我们的职员工作的工厂， Evan McCollum Lockheed Martin Public Relations
and two other major facilities where our employees work
都在或者邻近LITTELTON。 are either in or very near Littleton.
厂里面我们有超过5000名员工。 So we have over 5,000 employees at these facilities,
许多都住在Littleton。 quite a number of whom live in Littleton,
他们的孩子都上柯伦拜高中。 many of whom have children who attend Columbine High School.
也许柯伦拜事件只是整个世界 I suppose in one way you could say that what happened
at Columbine High School is a microcosm, uh...
的一个小范围的映射。 of what happens throughout the world.
到处能看见"我们是柯伦拜的学生"的标语。 - You know the signs that we see around here,
the ones that say: "We Are Columbine,"
看看洛克希德.马丁公司，最大的雇主， is that how you, Lockheed Martin, feels,
that you're the biggest employer here in Littleton,
最大的武器制造商，也许也该挂上 "我们是柯伦拜人"这样的标语？ you're the biggest weapons- maker? "We Are Columbine."
我们把这种思想描述得形像一点： " 我们是社区的一部分 "。 - I think we probably embody that spirit,
that, yeah, we're all members of this community
所以有互相帮助的义务。 and that it behoves us to help one another and to reach out
to assist one another, yeah.
他告诉我们，在 Littleton没有人， 包括洛克希德.马丁公司的高层， - He told us that no one in Littleton,
including the executives
at Lockheed, could figure out why the boys at Columbine
没有人能理解柯伦拜高中 的学生为什么会有暴力倾向。 at Lockheed, could figure out why the boys at Columbine
没有人能理解柯伦拜高中 的学生为什么会有暴力倾向。
had resorted to violence. 没有人能理解柯伦拜高中 的学生为什么会有暴力倾向。
为什么年轻人会这么干？ - Why would kids do this? 没有人能理解柯伦拜高中 的学生为什么会有暴力倾向。
为什么年轻人会这么干？ - Why would kids do this?
Uh, some of the root of that probably has to do
这肯定跟他们对一切都看不惯有关。 Uh, some of the root of that probably has to do
这肯定跟他们对一切都看不惯有关。
with their anger about various issues 这肯定跟他们对一切都看不惯有关。
当我们听说有一个防卫术训练班的时候， and we became aware of a program 这肯定跟他们对一切都看不惯有关。
当我们听说有一个防卫术训练班的时候， and we became aware of a program
that provides anger-management training.
我们马上捐了十万美元， And so we made a $100,000 contribution
就是为了这儿的学校也能提供这种训练。 to the Jefferson County schools to use this training
in the schools. We hope to help both teachers and students
我们希望这样能帮助这儿的学生和老师们， in the schools. We hope to help both teachers and students
我们希望这样能帮助这儿的学生和老师们，
把他们的不满发泄到其他地方去。 learn alternative ways to deal with anger. 我们希望这样能帮助这儿的学生和老师们，
把他们的不满发泄到其他地方去。 learn alternative ways to deal with anger.
您也许不会相信，我们的孩子们在说： - So you don't think our kids say to themselves:
爸爸每天去工厂 "Well, gee, Dad goes off
制造火箭和大规模杀伤性武器。 to the factory every day and, you know,
he built missiles." These are weapons of mass destruction.
这些武器会造成的后果和在柯伦拜高中 发生的事情会有什么不同呢？ What's the difference between that mass destruction
and the mass destruction over at Columbine High School?
我觉得这之间没什么可相提并论的地方， - I guess I don't see that connection,
that specific connection, because the missiles
这些导弹我们是造来 that specific connection, because the missiles
这些导弹我们是造来
that you're talking about were built and designed to defend us 这些导弹我们是造来
that you're talking about were built and designed to defend us
对付其他人的， 对付那些有进攻性的敌人。 from somebody else who would be aggressors against us.
社团，国家，政府互相挑衅， Societies and countries and governments do things
that annoy one another.
但我们必须学会， But we have to learn to deal with that annoyance
合理地去处理这些怒气或是挫折感。 or that anger or that frustration in appropriate ways.
如果只是为了某人惹怒了我， We don't get irritated with somebody
and just 'cause we're mad at them, uh,
我们是不应该向他扔炸弹或是用枪打死他的。 drop a bomb or shoot at them, or fire a missile at them.
[ What a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong ]
1953:：美国推翻了伊郎总理穆桑德克， 1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran.
美国让沙阿（伊朗国王的称号）成为了独裁者。 U.S. installs Shah as dictator.
1954：美国推翻了危地马拉的民选总统阿尔登茨， 1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala.
二十万平民因此死亡。 200,000 civilians killed.
1963：美国支持暗杀了南越南总统Diem， 1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975：美国军队杀死了四百万东南亚平民。 1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in Southeast Asia.
1973年9月11号：美国挑动了智利的叛乱。 September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile.
民选总统阿兰德被谋杀。 Democratically-elected President Salvator Allende assassinated.
独裁者皮诺切上台。 Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
5000名智利人被因而谋杀。 5,000 Chileans murdered.
1977：美国支持萨尔瓦多军政府， 1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador.
7万萨尔瓦多人和4个美国修女被杀。 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.
从1980年开始：为了除掉苏联， 美国开始培训本拉登的恐怖份子。 1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
中情局给了他们30亿美元。 CIA gives them $3 billion.
1981：里根政府支持CONTRA组织， 1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.
造成3万尼加拉瓜人死亡。 1981：里根政府支持CONTRA组织， 1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.
1982：美国支援萨达姆.侯塞因上十亿美元的武器， 1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.
就为了对付伊朗。 1982：美国支援萨达姆.侯塞因上十亿美元的武器， 1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.
1983：白宫又秘密提供伊朗武器， 这次是为了对付伊拉克。 1987: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
1989：马努艾.诺列加，中情局特工， 同时是巴拿马的总统， 1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington.
拒绝执行华盛顿的命令， 1989：马努艾.诺列加，中情局特工， 同时是巴拿马的总统， 1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington.
美国就进军巴拿马推翻了他。 U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega.
3000巴拿马平民死亡。 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties.
1990：伊拉克用美国提供的武器占领了科威特。 1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.
1991：美国进攻伊拉克。 1991: U.S. enters Iraq.
布什让科威特独裁者重新上台。 Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
1998：克林顿轰炸了苏丹的一个武器工厂， 1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan.
实际在这个厂里生产的却是阿斯匹灵。 Factory turns out to be making aspirin.
1991 到现在，美国每周都轰炸伊拉克， 1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
联合国估计， U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.
大约五十万伊拉克儿童因此死亡。 联合国估计， U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.
2000-2002：在这期间美国给了阿富汗 塔利班政府两亿四千五百万美元， 2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid."
11.09.2001：本拉登利用他在 中情局学到的东西杀了3000人。 Sept.11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.
[ end of What a Wonderful World ]
[ screaming ]: Oh my goodness! Oh my word!
Oh my word!
在丹佛南面Littleton 的美国空军培训中心的 场地上停着一架货真价实的B-52B轰炸机。 - South of Denver in Littleton, on the grounds
of the U.S. Air Force Academy,
there sits an actual B-52 bomber.
在上面非常自豪地刻着，这架飞机 在1972年的圣诞节杀死过越南人。 The plaque underneath it proudly proclaims
that this plane killed Vietnamese people
on Christmas eve, 1972.
那次是整个越南战争中最大规模的空袭。 It was the largest bombing campaign of the Vietnam War.
城外面是 Roky Flats，世 界上最大的原子武器工厂。 Just outside Denver is Rocky Flats
the largest plutonium- weapons-making factory
in the world,
现在已经变成了一个巨大的辐射瓦砾堆。 and now a massive radioactive dump.
离这儿不远的山里则是Norad， 我们的贫铀导弹的指挥控制中心， A few miles away, buried inside a mountain,
is NORAD, which oversees our nuclear missiles,
负责整个科罗拉多州。 many of which dot
the Colorado landscape.
一个月里洛克希德会依据五角 大楼的命令为他们运一次导弹， And once a month, Lockheed transports one of its rockets,
而车队会从Littleton中经过，也就是说从哥伦比 亚高中旁开过，运去丹佛另一面的空军基地。 with its Pentagon payload,
through the streets of Littleton,
passing nearby Columbine High School
on its way to an air-force base
on the other side of Denver.
导弹会在夜间运输，而那时柯伦拜 中学的孩子们正在睡觉。 The rockets are transported in the middle of the night,
while the children of Columbine are asleep.
[ gunfire ]
美国在科索沃战争中轰炸最猛烈的一天， Largest one day bombing by U.S. in Kosovo war
22枚北约的导弹落到了小城 Bogutovac。 - Twenty-two NATO missiles
fell on the village of Bogutovac near Kraljevo.
这些杀人利器在居民区上空被扔下， Deadly cargo was dropped upon the residential part
我们是在对抗塞尔维亚暴虐的统治者， of the village.
- We're striking hard at Serbia's machinery of repression,
同时保护无辜的平民， while making a deliberate effort
to minimize harm to innocent people.
但还是有一间医院和小学被击中。 - On the hit list were a local hospital and primary school.
一个小时之后， 但还是有一间医院和小学被击中。 - On the hit list were a local hospital and primary school.
一个小时之后，
我们都知道了结果：一场大屠杀。 - We all know there has been a terrible shooting
在Littleton科罗拉多州的一所中学里。 at a high school in Littleton, Colorado.
我希望所有的美国人民为那些 学生，家长和教师而祈祷。 I hope the American people will be praying for the students,
the parents and the teachers.
我们将等待进一步的消息。 And we'll wait for events to unfold
and then there'll be more to say.
杰佛森警察局911报警台： ----这儿柯伦拜中学里有人拿着枪在射击！ - Jefferson County, 911.
- There's some boy at Columbine High School, someone killed...
有人受伤吗？ ---是的！ - Do you know if anybody's injured?
他们有管状炸药，乌兹冲锋枪， 噢天那，他们什么都有！ - Yes. - They've got pipe bombs,
pipe bombs...
你想骗我？ ---不。 - You're shitting me. - I'm not.
一个学生被从背后打死了！ - Student hit in the spine at Columbine.
- Okay. - We've got...
一个头部中弹。 ---头部中弹？ - He's shot in the head. - He's shot in the head?
警长办公室。 ----我们有全自动武器。 - Deputy cashier's office. - We have automatic weapons,
okay? - Yes.
多叫些救护车来！ - All right. Can you get us lots and lots of paramedics?
还在射击吗？ ----是的！ - So he's still under an attack? - Yes, sir, the school is.
我们想帮一下那些中枪的学生， - We got a couple of kids out in the hall that are shot,
先别让任何人进去！ so they're trying to get to them. Do not let anybody else in
杰佛森警察局911报警台。 ---你好，这儿是 Izzy Povich，NBC电视台的。 until we tell them. - Jefferson County 911.
- Hi, it's Izzy Povich at NBC News.
我们现在现场直播学校里发生的枪击事件， We're calling about the school shooting.
We're on the air live right now on MSNBC.
您对此知道些什么...... ----我认为......现在，这儿......直播？ Can you-- Is that something you could just, literally,
patch through to my desk,
or you could tell us on the air? I could put you through
您马上就会上节目。 ---我知道。 right now-- - I understand that...
凶手据说在学校的图书馆里。 - Now they said he's gone to the library;
he stayed in the building.
就是说在图书馆里有这么个家伙？ He's gone into the library and he's in the building.
这儿是"Dateline" 节目的Stephanie Phillips。 怎么样？ - Hi, this is Stephanie Gold from Dateline. How you doing?
- Good, how are you? - Fine, thanks.
很好，谢谢。 ----我喜欢您的节目。 - I love your show. - Oh, I'm so glad. Thank you.
很荣幸。 ---我从不错过。 - I watch it every night. - Thank you.
谢谢。 ---没什么。 - Jefferson County 911. - Yes, I'm a teacher
杰佛森警察局911报警台。 谢谢。 ---没什么。 - Jefferson County 911. - Yes, I'm a teacher
我是中学老师，一个学生用枪打碎了一扇玻璃窗。 at Columbine High School. There is a shooter here with a gun.
有人受伤吗？ ---是的！ He just shot out a window. - Has anybody been injured?
这儿的人都怕极了...... 我正在图书馆里...... - Yes! And the school is in a panic
and I'm in the library. I've got students down.
躲到桌子底下去，孩子们！ and I'm in the library. I've got students down.
躲到桌子底下去，孩子们！
Under the tables, kids! 躲到桌子底下去，孩子们！
Under the tables, kids!
头低下去！ Heads under the tables! I saw a student outside!
一个学生在外面！ 呕，上帝阿！ Okay,
我看到一支步枪，然后喊： I was on hall duty, I saw a gun! "What's going on out there?!"
" 到底怎么了？" 他马上就开枪朝我们射击。 He turned the gun straight at us and he shot, and my God,
窗马上就碎了......我想我身边的孩子被击中了。 the window went out.
The kid standing there with me, I think he got hit.
救援人员正在路上，女士。 - We've got help on the way, ma'am.
呕上帝阿！ ----您先不要挂电话！ - Oh God! - Stay on line with me.
- Oh God! [ gunfire ]
他在图书馆里射击。 - I think he's shooting in the library right now.
他还在那儿开枪。 He's firing shots from the library.
我们应该冲出去吗？ ---等一下...... - Firing shots in the library. - ...our way.
Do we need to leave? Okay, hold on.
现在他在咖啡室里开枪。 我得从这儿出去，我再打给你。 - ...inside the cafeteria
I'm gonna have to try and get outta here and call you back.
摄像机该往哪儿去？我等了很久了！ - I called in before, trying to find out
where I'm supposed to go and they put me on hold
你好，这儿是CNN的温迪。 for freaking ever! - Hi, it's Wendy at CNN still.
你好，温迪。 晚一点我们会给报界打回去的。 - Hi. We're just taking names and numbers for the press.
但FOX台好像找到了一个知情人。 为什么FOX能找到一个？ - Fox has somebody from your office on now--
我知道，但我们收到太多电话了， 我们不能每个都回。 - We've talked to a bunch of people
and we can only do so many,
we got so many more calls coming in.
我必须跟我女儿通话， 我都已经试了一个小时了。 - I gotta get to my daughter at Columbine.
I've been trying for an hour, I can't get anywhere near there...
先生，请冷静。 - Sir, okay, calm down, okay?
我们有权利知道我们的孩子在哪儿！ - I think we're entitled to information as parents
on where our children are! - We have a lot of units
我们已经投入人员营救了。 out there right now. - I can't get anywhere near it.
我谁都找不到！ 我必须和我女儿通话！ I wanna find out
how to get in touch with my daughter.
我怎样才能知道她的情况？ How do I get information on my daughter?
我没有任何信息！ - I don't have that information right now--
为什么没有？见鬼！ - Why in the hell not? It's been over an hour!
我担心我的儿子，艾里克.哈里森， 和这个枪击事件有关。 - My son is Eric Harris,
and I'm afraid that he might be involved
with the shooting at Columbine High School.
什么？ - Involved how?
他是那个什么"风衣黑手党"的成员。 - He's a member of what they're calling the "trench-coat mafia."
您今天和他对过话吗？ ---没有。您有嫌疑人了吗？ - Have you spoken to your son? - No, I haven't.
Have they picked up anybody yet? - They're still looking
我们还正在找。 您说您儿子加入了什么帮派？ for suspects. Your son is with who? What gang?
好像叫什么" 风衣黑手党 "。 名字我是在电视里看到的。 - They call them the "trench-coat mafia". I just heard that term
on TV. - Stay low, because if you try
呆在下面，我可不希望你们也被打死。 to leave, I don't want you to get shot.
呆在下面，然后安静点。 Stay very low and quiet.
Low and quiet...
- Everybody just stay quiet.
当射击停止以后，艾里克.哈里斯 和杜兰.克莱波德 - When the shooting was over, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
一共杀了12个学生和一个老师。 had killed 12 students and one teacher.
成打成打的学生老师被发射 的超过900发的子弹射伤。 Dozens of others were wounded by the over-900 rounds of ammo
他们使用的武器完全是通过合法渠道购得。 that were fired. It is believed that the guns that they used
were all legally purchased at stores and gun shows.
而所有的子弹就是在离这儿一条街远的 Littleton 的K-MART超市买的。 And many of the bullets were bought
at the Littleton K-Mart just down the street.
在哈里斯的日记中提到了此事 - Harris's diary also detailed ideas about hijacking
去劫持一架飞机然后让它在纽约上空坠毁， an airplane and crashing it into New York City.
有些人认为这只是想像。 Some may characterize that as fantasy...
到最后是人们自己制造了凶器指向自己的局面。 - In the end, they turned the guns on themselves.
他进了图书馆，向四周乱开枪。 - And then he came into the library,
shot everybody around me, then put a gun to my head
他用枪指着我然后问，是不是愿意大家一起死。 and asked if we all wanted to die and...
我们听到走道里传来枪声， - We started hearing shots in the hall
然后他们就进来了，而所有人都必 须躲到桌子底下去了。 and then they came in and they all told us
to get under the desk and we all got under the desk
然后他们开始在图书馆里开枪。 and then they started coming in the library and opening fire...
我在那儿大叫，叫他们不要杀我。 - I just started screaming and crying and telling them
not to shoot me. And so he shot the girl,
于是他就把在我前面的女孩一枪打死了。 not to shoot me. And so he shot the girl,
于是他就把在我前面的女孩一枪打死了。
he shot her in the head in front of me. 于是他就把在我前面的女孩一枪打死了。
他还杀了一个黑人小孩，就因为他是黑人。 Then he shot the black kid, because he was black. 于是他就把在我前面的女孩一枪打死了。
他还杀了一个黑人小孩，就因为他是黑人。 Then he shot the black kid, because he was black.
我只能给你们5个字： - I have only five words for you:
我的手冰冷。 From my cold, dead hands.
[ cheering ]
在离柯伦拜大屠杀只有10天之后， - Just 10 days after the Columbine killings,
查尔斯.赫斯顿并没有因为弥漫于这个地区 的哀伤气氛而放弃，而是选择来到丹佛。 despite the pleas
of a community in mourning,
Charlton Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally
而且在那儿举行了一个为国家枪支所有 者协会而办的旨在支持拥有枪支的集会。 Charlton Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally
而且在那儿举行了一个为国家枪支所有 者协会而办的旨在支持拥有枪支的集会。
for the National Rifle Association. 而且在那儿举行了一个为国家枪支所有 者协会而办的旨在支持拥有枪支的集会。
早上好！ - Good morning. [ crowd ]: Good morning. 而且在那儿举行了一个为国家枪支所有 者协会而办的旨在支持拥有枪支的集会。
早上好！ - Good morning. [ crowd ]: Good morning.
非常感谢今天你们能来到这儿来支持你们的组织。 Thank you all
for coming and thank you for supporting your organization.
我所说的指的还有你们还拥有勇气 I also want to applaud your courage in coming here today.
今天到这儿来。 我听到一个消息， I have a message from the mayor,
是丹佛市长威林顿.韦伯先生告诉我的， Mr. Wellington Webb, the mayor of Denver.
[ booing ]
- No, no, no, no, no.
他在给我的信中写道： He sent me this,
" 请您不要来这儿，我们这儿不需要您 。" and it says: "Don't come here. We don't want you here."
我告诉这位市长：这是我们的国家， I said to the mayor, "This is our country.
作为一个美国人，我有权在我们 广阔的国土上想去哪儿就去哪儿。 As Americans we're free to travel wherever we want
in our broad land." [ applause ]
" 请您不要来 "？ 我们已经来了！ Don't come here? We're already here.
[ cheering ]
我今天来这儿， - I am here today...
是因为这是我的儿子丹尼尔的愿望。 because my son Daniel would want me to be here today.
如果丹尼尔不是受害者之一的话， If my son Daniel was not one of the victims,
今天他也会来这儿的。 he would be here with me today.
在这个国家有什么事情总是让人觉得很不对劲， Something is wrong in this country...
如果一个孩子， when a child...
这么容易就能拿到一把枪，一把真正的枪， can grab a gun... grab a gun so easily...
然后把子弹打进...... and shoot a bullet...
另外一个孩子的脸的正中央， 就像我的儿子遭遇到的那样， into the middle of a child's face, as my son experienced.
那一定是有什么出问题了。 现在是时候了，是时候明白...... Something is wrong.
But the time has come to come to understand
杀死我儿子的，有30发子弹的TECH-9半自动步枪 that a Tech-9 semi-automatic 30-bullet weapon
不应该在这儿成为杀人的工具。 like that that killed my son,
is not used to kill deer.
它们没有任何理由出现在这儿， It has no useful purpose.
现在是解决这个问题的时候了。 It is time to address this problem.
我们必须努力工作去医治心灵的创伤， - We have work to do, hearts to heal,
去共同对付恶势力，并使得我们的国家团结一致。 evil to defeat and a country to unite.
是的，我们会有不同的意见， We may have differences, yes,
而我们也许会继续遭受类似的，无法形容的悲剧， and we will again suffer tragedy almost beyond description.
但是如果今天太阳在丹佛还是照样升起落下，并且以后也是， But when the sun sets on Denver tonight,
and forever more, let it always set on we the people,
那它是在为我们，为我们这个 民族而升起，而落下。 and forever more, let it always set on we the people,
那它是在为我们，为我们这个 民族而升起，而落下。
为了我们能继续在勇敢者的故乡， 继续在我们的自由国土上生活下去， secure in our land of the free and home of the brave. 那它是在为我们，为我们这个 民族而升起，而落下。
为了我们能继续在勇敢者的故乡， 继续在我们的自由国土上生活下去， secure in our land of the free and home of the brave.
我会奉献上我自己的一份力量。 谢谢。 I, for one, plan to do my part.
Thank you.
[ cheering and clapping ]
当他们举办在科罗拉多州的集会， - Or like when they had their convention in Colorado,
就在柯伦拜事件一周之后...... ----北爱尔兰共和军？
是的，这很蠢。 也许他们确实有他们所宣称的" 权利 "， a week, whatever, the month after Columbine, 就在柯伦拜事件一周之后...... ----北爱尔兰共和军？
是的，这很蠢。 也许他们确实有他们所宣称的" 权利 "， a week, whatever, the month after Columbine,
that was just stupid. Just don't do that.
Of course you have "the right to," but what are you doing?
但他们凭什么让整个城市感到恐慌？ Upsetting a whole city full of people, why would you do that?
这是 Matt Stone。 - This is Matt Stone. He grew up in Littleton
他在LITTELTON长大，很愿意回顾 在柯伦拜中学度过的时光。 and has fond memories of Columbine.
是啊，你知道，柯伦拜中学是......是一所狗屁中学， - Yeah, Columbine, it's just a crappy school
in the middle of a bunch of crappy houses.
Matt 和他的同样来自 LITTELTON 的朋友Trey Parker， - Matt and his friend Trey Parker
用其他的方法来消解他们的郁闷， 而不是来一场血腥屠杀。 found a way to take out
their anger of being different in Littleton
and turn it not into carnage, but into a cartoon.
他们画一幅卡通画， and turn it not into carnage, but into a cartoon.
有一个很平常的星期天早晨， "Just another Sunday morning In my quiet...
在我呆的平静的小山城里， 有一个很平常的星期天早晨， "Just another Sunday morning In my quiet...
在我呆的平静的小山城里，
"Mountain town" 在我呆的平静的小山城里，
[ music ] 在我呆的平静的小山城里，
[ music ]
你的呼吸清晰可闻， 那些无家可归的根本对我们来说无所谓。 "You can see your breath Hanging in the air
"You see homeless people But you just don't care
想要在这微笑的湖中淹死， "It's a sea of smiles In which we'd be glad to drown
一个安静的，庸俗的白色小山城的星期天早晨。 "It's Sunday morning In our quiet little
"White-bread redneck mountain town"
柯伦拜是一所在一个很普通 的郊区的很普通的学校。 - Columbine is a normal high school--
- Yeah. - ...in a normal suburb--
太、太、太普通了，所以真让人受不了， - Yeah. - ...you know, basically.
- Yeah. Painfully, painfully, painfully normal.
绝对是残忍的，撕心裂肺的，让人受不了。 Just absolutely, painfully, horribly average.
对整个Littleton 来说。 Littleton in general is...
我还记得在那个6年级班里 I remember being in sixth grade and I...
我已经必须去写7年级的数学考试， had to take the math test to get into Honors Math
in the seventh grade. And they're, like,
人们是这么说的： " 不要浪费机会， 要不然就升不了级， "Don't screw this up. Because if you screw this up,
you won't get into Honors Math in seventh grade.
7年级搞不定，8年级就别想进， And if you don't get in in seventh grade,
然后是9，10，11年级，最后你 就会孤独贫穷的死去。 you won't in eighth grade, then not in ninth grade.
And 10th and 11th grade and you'll just die poor
就是这样 。 and lonely." And that's it, you know?
你相信你的学校和你的同学, You believe, in high school - and a lot of it is kids,
但老师和学校的头们却帮不了什么忙。 but the teachers and counsellors and principals
don't help things. They scare you into conforming
他们恐吓你，让你成为他们眼中的好学生， don't help things. They scare you into conforming
他们恐吓你，让你成为他们眼中的好学生，
and doing good in school by saying: "If you're a loser now, 他们恐吓你，让你成为他们眼中的好学生，
and doing good in school by saying: "If you're a loser now,
他们会告诉你，如果你现在 失败，那你就永远会失败。 you're gonna be a loser forever."
埃里克和杜兰被人骂同性恋， So that with Eric and Dylan, people called them "fag."
他们想，那就永远是同性恋好了。 They're like, "You know what?
If I'm a fag, now I'm a fag forever."
如果能有人对他们说，哪怕是一遍： And you wish someone just could've grabbed them and gone,
" 中学还不是最后的结束，还有一年， 前面的日子还长......" "Dude, high school's not the end of...
A year, a year and a half, was it? I don't even know.
他们其实只有两个星期了！ You just move out-- - No, no, they were two weeks
away from graduation. - Yeah, you're done.
是的。然后就再也不用见这些人的丑恶嘴脸了。 It's amazing how fast you lose touch with all those people.
但他们早在你6年级的时候就向你灌输： They just beat it in your head as early as sixth grade:
"别再错过机会，要不就会贫穷寂寞地死去。" "Don't fuck up. 'Cause if you do,
you're gonna die poor and lonely.
然后你就会想： "去他的，现在是 什么就永远是什么好了。" You don't want to do that." You're, like, "Fuck,
whatever I am now, I'm that forever." Of course,
但这是不对的。班里的笨小子 以后却创出了一番事业， it's completely opposite. All the dorks in high school
go on to do great things and all the really cool guys
成了Littleton一个很酷的保险经济人。 are all living back in Littleton as insurance agents.
对谁来说都一样！ Almost person to person, it's completely that way.
如果有人对他们那么说的话，他们 就不会干那种事情了。 If somebody could've told them that,
maybe they would've have done it, but...
我们可能永远不会知道， 他们为什么会这么干。 - I guess we'll never know why they did it,
但成人们应该不要忘记一件事情： 作为一个孩子，神经是很脆弱的。 but one thing adults should never forget:
It still sucks being a teenager.
去上学更是让人紧张的一件事情。 And it really sucks going to school.
你认为学校怎样？ - What's your view on high school?
我爱学校。我在那儿学东西。 - Uh, I love it.
Columbine Student Video
当然也有不喜欢我的人会挑衅我， Uh, I learn, I get picked on by bastards who hate me,
校长是混蛋。 and the principal's a dick.
你认为学校暴力的原因是什么？ - All right. What causes school violence?
就像那个家伙。 - Uh... him.
- Him? - Yeah.
是的，除了在柯伦拜中学，在美国其他、 地方也一样，当个学生是很紧张的， - Yes, and after Columbine, it really sucked
being a student in America.
在柯伦拜事件之后， [ TV news ]: Since last spring's shooting,
at Columbine High, schools nationwide
零容忍政策更是在学校里被越来越多的采用。 have extended zero-tolerance policies,
而学生则会由于各种怪异举动 suspending and expelling students for all kinds
of behaviour considered unruly,
或是有暴力倾向的苗头而被开除。 or warning signs of violence to come.
在伊利诺伊州小学二年级生因为带指甲钳上课而被停课10天。 This second-grader in Illinois was suspended for 10 days
for bringing a nail clipper to class
学校说因为携带了武器。 "That's a weapon," his school said.
一个一年级生被停课， - An elementary school suspended a first-grader
因为他向他的老师投掷了一块鸡排。 for pointing a chicken strip at a teacher in the cafeteria.
这个8岁的小子在吃午饭的时候 到处闲逛，然后用鸡排扔他的老师， The eight-year-old was fooling around with a friend
嘴里还说" 砰 " 砰！" at lunch last week when he pointed a breaded-chicken finger
at a teacher and then said: "Pow pow.
他还掏出一把用纸折的手枪， - He pointed a folded piece of paper shaped like a gun,
对同学说，他会在捉迷藏时打死她。 and told his classmates he was going to kill them
during a game of cops and robbers.
如果这也算是恐吓的话，那真是...... - If this isn't a warning sign, then what is it?
这个弗吉尼亚的学生被停课一个月， - This Virginia high-school student spent a month
因为他把头发染蓝了。 out of classes, originally sent home
for dying his hair blue. - A high-school honour student
这个来自密歇根的学生今天可能被开除， from Michigan could be expelled later today
in a school-board hearing.
17岁的Jeremy Hicks 在学校活动时 带去了一套苏格兰民族服装， Seventeen-year-old Jeremy Hicks wore a Scottish
bagpiper's outfit to his junior prom that included
当然有短裙，皮帽， a plaid kilt, a feathered hat and a traditional knife
甚至还有传统的Sgian-Dubh刀。 known as a "skein dhu."
这件T恤衫让这位学生上了法庭， - This T-shirt
因为她想成立一个狂热者俱乐部。 landed a high-school student in court.
She wanted to start an anarchy club.
简直就是在那儿倒计时的定时炸弹。 - The little time-bombs that are out there ticking,
许多人，对于他们所在的地区来说。 waiting to go off. And there are many of them in every community.
学生在7个联邦州被开除或是逮捕， - Students in at least seven different states
have been suspended or arrested
因为他们提到恐怖袭击或是计划进行恐怖袭击。 for talking about or planning plots of their own.
这就像场游击战。 - It's almost like guerrilla warfare.
人们不知道，敌人会从哪儿进攻。 You don't know from which direction
the enemy will be coming.
一个被严格遵守的条理分明的着装制度， Marketing video from Garrett Metal Detectors
能极大地增强一个学校的安全系数， - Having a well-conceived and strictly enforced dress code
can dramatically improve the safety of a school,
从而能带来一个良好的学习气氛。 and can ensure a positive learning environment
像这个学生的衣帽间所展示的， for everyone.
As this student's appearance demonstrates,
如果着装制度不严格，就有可能 隐藏小型武器在衣服里， having a lax policy about dress makes it easy
for a student to conceal a weapon
暴力事件就不能被终止。 and makes it difficult to identify intruders on campus.
着装制度减少了违反武器法的事件， A dress code can reduce weapons violations,
化解团体间的紧张气氛， relieve tensions between gangs, reduce disciplinary infractions
减少违反纪律的行为，优化学校学习气氛。 化解团体间的紧张气氛， relieve tensions between gangs, reduce disciplinary infractions
减少违反纪律的行为，优化学校学习气氛。
and generally improve the atmosphere of the school. 减少违反纪律的行为，优化学校学习气氛。
and generally improve the atmosphere of the school.
我们要求衬衫要束进去， Our policy requires that students tuck in their shirts,
皮带就看得见了。 making the beltline visible at all times.
我们的学生不允许穿宽松裤， Our students may not wear baggy pants
不允许在服装的颜色上或是标记上 明显暗示他是那个帮派的。 or colours or insignias that are commonly associated
with gang activity.
这个规定已经成为社区的整体主题项目， This policy was a collaborative effort.
是的，我们的孩子有时真的让我们感到害怕。 - Yes, our children were indeed something to fear.
像小魔鬼一样。 They had turned into little monsters.
但这又是谁的责任呢？ But who was to blame?
每个专家都有一个答案。 All the experts had an answer.
充满愤怒的重金属文化。 - Angry, heavy-metal subculture.
父母。 ---是暴力影片。 - Where were the parents? - Violent movies.
南方公园（以很多说粗话的小孩而闻名的动画片） ---电子游戏。 - "South Park." - Video games. - Television. - Entertainment.
电视。 ---娱乐活动。 - Satan. - Cartoons. - Films. - Society. - Toy guns.
魔鬼。 ----卡通片。 电视。 ---娱乐活动。 - Satan. - Cartoons. - Films. - Society. - Toy guns.
社会。 ---毒品。 - Drugs. - Shock-rocker Marilyn Manson.
Marilyn Manson (休克摇滚歌手) 社会。 ---毒品。 - Drugs. - Shock-rocker Marilyn Manson.
Marilyn Manson (休克摇滚歌手)
[ all ]: Marilyn Manson. Marilyn Manson (休克摇滚歌手)
[ all ]: Marilyn Manson.
Marilyn Manson [ all ]: Marilyn Manson.
Marilyn Manson 取消了他最近5次的 美国巡回演唱会， - Marilyn Manson has cancelled the last five dates
以此向在Littleton发生的事件中死去的人们致敬。 of his U.S, tour out of respect for those lost in Littleton.
同时这位歌手宣称， 责任并不在像他这样的歌手身上。 But the singer says artists like himself
are not the ones to blame.
对于一个大唱片公司来说， are not the ones to blame.
对于一个大唱片公司来说，
- This is perhaps the sickest group ever promoted 对于一个大唱片公司来说，
这个乐队是他们曾经签下的最病态的乐队。 by a mainstream record company. 对于一个大唱片公司来说，
这个乐队是他们曾经签下的最病态的乐队。 by a mainstream record company.
?我不是上帝的奴? "I'm not a slave
?上帝根本不存在? "to a god
"that doesn't exist"
人们对柯伦拜大屠杀似乎 只能找到一个理由了： - After Columbine, it seemed
that the entire focus on why the shootings occurred
因为这些谋杀犯 听Marilyn Manson 的歌。 was because the killers
listened to Marilyn Manson.
柯伦拜大屠杀两年后， Manson 重回丹佛。 Two years after Columbine,
Manson finally returned to Denver.
在 Ozz节上是 这个休克歌摇滚歌手 Manson歌带来了丹佛的早晨。 - The Oz Fest at Mile High Stadium
brings shock-rocker Marilyn Manson to Denver tomorrow.
宗教势力为此进行了抗议。 - There were protests from the religious right.
但我想，我是会和他进行谈话的。 But I thought I'd go and talk with him myself.
在小时候，音乐对我来说是一条出路。 - When I was a kid growing up, music was the escape.
是唯一一条不为陈规定势所左右的出路。 That's the only thing
that had no judgements. You can put on a record
一张唱片不会震撼到你，就因为你着装怪异。 and it's not gonna yell at you for dressing the way you do.
它在它里面证明你自己的想法。 It's gonna make you feel better about it.
Manche 挑衅地问， - Some will be so brash to ask if we believe
我们是不是真的相信，所有听他演唱会 的人第二天就会去造成流血事件。 that all who hear Manson tomorrow night
will go out and commit violent acts.
回答是不。 The answer is "no." But does everybody
但是不是每个看LEXUS车广告 的都会去买LEXUS车呢？ who watches a Lexus ad go and buy a Lexus?
不会是全部。 但有一些会的。 No. But a few do.
我知道，他们为什么选出我来作为代表。 - I definitely can see why they would pick me,
因为拿我的形像在电视里作宣传是很容易的事， because I think it's easy to throw my face on a TV,
因为我的形像太具代表性了。 because I'm, in the end, sort of a poster boy for fear.
我就是所有恐惧的源泉，因为 我只说我想说的，做我想做的。 Because I represent what everyone's afraid of,
because I do and say what I want.
Marilyn Manson 想在我们的 城市里宣扬仇恨和暴力， - If Marilyn Manson can walk into our town and promote hate,
自杀，死亡，毒品，以及柯伦拜式的行为。 violence, suicide, death, drug use
and Columbine-like behaviour,
我们不会坐视不管的！ I can say, "Not without a fight, you can't."
这场悲剧的另外两个副产品就是...... - The two by-products of that whole tragedy were, uh...
娱乐节目中的暴力和武器监督制度。 violence in entertainment and gun control.
多完美的两个竞选纲领啊！ And how perfect that that was the two things
that we were gonna talk about with the upcoming election.
这样，莫尼卡.莱文斯基 And also, then we forgot about Monica Lewinsky
和那个轰炸其他国家的总统的事就没人关心了， and we forgot about...
The president was shooting bombs overseas,
但我因为唱摇滚歌曲，所以我就是坏人。 yet I'm a bad guy because I sing some rock'n'roll songs.
谁更有影响力呢，是总统还是Marilyn Manson？ And who's a bigger influence, the president or Marilyn Manson?
我个人希望是我自己，但还是总统的好。 I'd like to think me, but I'm gonna go with the president.
你知道就在柯伦拜事件这一天， - Do you know the day that Columbine happened,
美国在科索沃扔下了整场战争中最多的炸弹吗？ the United States dropped more bombs on Kosovo
than any other time during that war?
这个我知道，而且我认为这很有讽刺意味， - I do know that and I think that's really ironic,
因为没人说： "总统对这起流血事件也有影响。" that nobody said, "Well, maybe the president had an influence
on this violent behaviour.
但是媒体也不会这么报道的。 Because that's not the way the media wants to take it
因为在电视和新闻中， and spin it and turn it into fear.
'Cause then you're watching television,
人们应该感到充分大恐惧：洪水，爱滋，谋杀。 you're watching the news; you're being pumped full of fear.
And there's floods, there's AIDS, there's murder.
然后是中断播放广告时间： "请买Acura，买Colgate。" You cut to commercial, buy the Acura, buy the Colgate.
"有像狗一样的口气就没人会理你。" If you have bad breath, they're not gonna talk to you.
"有疹子就没人会愿意干你。" If you got pimples, the girl's not gonna fuck you.
这是有关恐惧和消费的宣传。 It's a campaign of fear and consumption.
我认为，这所有的一切都来源于一个又一个思想， And that's what I think that's it's all based on,
is the whole idea that: keep everyone afraid,
就是让所有人保持恐惧，这样他们才会消费。 and they'll consume. And that's really as simple
我认为，可以减少一下这种做法了。 就是让所有人保持恐惧，这样他们才会消费。 and they'll consume. And that's really as simple
我认为，可以减少一下这种做法了。
as it can be boiled down to. - Right. 我认为，可以减少一下这种做法了。
as it can be boiled down to. - Right.
如果你和在柯伦拜中学里的人交谈， If you were to talk directly to the kids at Columbine
你会对他们说什么？ and the people in that community,
what would you say to them, if they here right now?
我什么都不会说，我想，我更应 该好好听他们说些什么。 - I wouldn't say a single word to them.
而就是这，以前却没有人这样做了。 I would listen to what they have to say.
And that's what no one did.
我是Nicole Schlieve。 --- 我是 Amanda Lamontaigne。 - I'm Nicole Shleif. - And I'm Amanda Lamontagne.
是柯伦拜的学生吗？ - And you went to Columbine? - Yes.
你们曾和埃里克以及杜兰在一起？ - And you were with Eric and Dylan?
同一个班吗？ ---是的，在保龄球班。 In their class? - Yeah,
保龄球班？这又是什么？ we were in their bowling class. - In their bowling class?
就是指选修的运动项目。 - Yes. - What's bowling class?
- Just an elective you can take for a gym credit.
这有什么意义吗？ - Where's the educational value of this, though?
应该没有。 ---没有。 - Um... I guess there isn't really any.
- No, there's not.
我现在打保龄球打得更好了，这点倒是可以确定。 - I learned how to bowl a lot better, that's for sure.
埃里克和杜兰怎么样呢？ ---很少见。 - What were Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold like?
不那么合群。 ---我基本上就不认识他们。 - Weird. - Yeah?
- I mean, not very social.
- I didn't really know who they were.
他们很保守。 - Not very social, just kinda kept to themselves.
他们是好的保龄球手吗？ - How good a bowlers were Eric and Dylan?
我还知道他们是怎样 - When we played them,
all I remember is they were just, like, crazy.
把球摔到球道上去， They would just chuck the ball. - Chuck it down there.
他们根本就无所谓玩得怎么样。 ----他们根本就不在意结果。 - Throw the ball down; didn't really care how they bowled.
- Yeah, they didn't really care about their scores.
他们在事件那天早上干了什么？ Deputy Sheriff Steve Davis - What were the suspects doing the morning of attack?
我只是听说他们去打保龄球了。 I told you that I'd heard that they were bowling;
that's the only thing I'm aware of.
在他们去学校乱开枪之前，他们还 玩了两把保龄球吗？ - So did Dylan and Eric show up that morning
and bowl two games before moving on
to shoot up the school?
他们就喜欢把球扔上球道？这又意味着什么呢？ And did they just chuck the balls down the lane?
Did this mean something?
他们只去他们爱去的班级。 - Um, I guess they went to their favourite class.
为什么就没有人把埃里克和杜兰在精神上如此 偏离航向，作出这样疯狂举动的责任归咎于 保龄球呢？ - Why wasn't anyone blaming bowling
for warping the minds of Eric and Dylan
to commit their evil deeds?
这难道不和把责任归咎于Marilyn Manson 一样具有说服力吗？ Wasn't that just as plausible as blaming Marilyn Manson?
因为这是他们在大屠杀前干的最后的事情阿？ After all,
it was apparently the last thing they did
before the massacre.
等一下...... But wait a minute. There's lots of bowling going on
在另外的国家也有保龄， 等一下...... But wait a minute. There's lots of bowling going on
在另外的国家也有保龄，
in other countries. 在另外的国家也有保龄，
in other countries.
难道在阴沉的Goth音乐之乡的德国，人们就 不听 Marilyn Manson 了吗？ And don't they listen to Marilyn Manson in Germany,
the home of sinister Goth music?
- Some Gothic festival. "Ah"
在法国不能看到同样的暴力影片吗？ - Don't they watch the same violent movies in France?
大多数暴力的电脑游戏都来自日本。 Most of the violent video games are from Japan.
许多美国人认为，是由于破碎家庭而 Many people in America believe
that it's the break-up of the family unit
造成的年轻人的困难处境，由此发展成暴力倾向。 that's caused so many wayward youth to turn to violence.
是这样我就自杀！ 你认为怎样？ 那我不呆这儿了。 - I'll save you the trouble. I'll run away and kill myself!
How would you like that? You can't keep me here!
但好像根据数据来看在英国有比 美国更多的破碎家庭和更高的离婚率。 - But statistics show
that there are more broken homes and divorce
in Great Britain than in the U.S.
这是官方说法！ Fergie 的婚姻到头了！ - It's official: Fergie's marriage has ended.
自由主义者宣称，贫穷是造成暴力的原因。 - Liberals contend that it's all the poverty we have in America
但在加拿大，失业率几乎有这儿的两倍。 that causes all this violence.
But the unemployment rate in Canada
许多人也许会说，这跟美国以前 的血腥的历史有关， is twice what it is here. Of course, most people say
it's because we Americans have a violent history,
牛仔和印第安人，野性的西部， 充满血腥的占领史。 a violent past. Cowboys and Indians,
the Wild West,
a history of conquering and bloodshed.
如果这足够解释我们现在所拥有的这个 充满暴力倾向的社会的话...... Well, if that's all it takes to end up
with such a violent society
那这又有谁能给个解释呢？ like we have in America, how do you explain this?
德国人谋杀了1200万人 GERMANS EXTERMINATE 12 MILLION
日本侵占中国 JAPANESE OCCUPATION OF CHINA
法国人在阿尔及利亚制造的大屠杀 FRENCH MASSACRE IN ALGIERS
英国在印度血腥镇压 BRITISH SLAUGHTER IN INDIA
但是，每年又有多少人是死于枪口之下的呢？ Yet in spite of all this,
how many people are killed by guns each year?
在德国： 381个 In Germany:
在法国： 255个 In France:
在加拿大：165个 In Canada:
在英国： 68个 In the United Kingdom:
在澳大利亚： 65个 In Australia:
在日本：39个 In Japan:
而在美国： 11.127个 In the United States:
那我就有个重要的问题了： - But that, to me, brings up an important question:
我们美国人有什么特别的吗？ Then what is so different about Americans?
我们天生喜欢谋杀？ Tom Mauser Father of Columbine victim
因为在欧洲，在澳大利亚， Are we homicidal in nature?
Because in Europe and Australia,
在大多数的自由国家里， most other free-world countries, they don't have this.
They don't have people who snap and go on murderous rampages.
并没有人发疯制造流血事件。 They don't have people who snap and go on murderous rampages.
并没有人发疯制造流血事件。
他们和我们没什么两样，但他们没有杀人狂。 - Well, no, they're just like us. They have the occasional person 并没有人发疯制造流血事件。
他们和我们没什么两样，但他们没有杀人狂。 - Well, no, they're just like us. They have the occasional person
that snaps and kills a lot of people.
比如英国的球迷，他们应该不会是贵格会教徒。 How about a British soccer riot? Those aren't Quakers there,
每次我要拿外国做比较， 总会听到这样的说法： - Every time that I bring up comparisons
with other free-world countries, what I hear is:
"我们的文化氛围不同。" "Oh, our culture is so different. We're so different."
但那儿也有血腥的电脑游戏，暴力影片， And as you said, they have violent video games,
冷漠的年轻一代，在学校也不进行祈祷仪式。 they have violent movies, they have alienated youth,
they - like us - don't have prayer in schools.
为什么在我们这儿，一切就那么得不一样呢？ What is so radically different? What is it about us?
是什么呢？ ----是什么？ - What is it? - What is it?
我不知道。 I don't know.
这儿是美国的短短的历史。 - Now, it's time for...
Hello，男孩和女孩们！ 准备好了吗？ Hi, boys and girls. Ready to get started?
从前在欧洲有一个民族叫Pilgrims。 Once upon a time, there were these people in Europe
他们怕被人迫害， called pilgrims and they were afraid of being persecuted.
就登上了船，准备航海去往没有恐惧的新世界。 So they all got in a boat and sailed to the New World
where they wouldn't have to be scared ever again.
我是那么得放松！ 我感觉自己安全极了！ - Oh, I'm so relaxed. - I feel so much safer.
但迎接他们的却是这里的野人， 所以他们马上又开始怕了。 - But as soon as they arrived, they were greeted by savages.
所以他们就打死野人。 They got scared all over again. - Injuns!
但这也没能让他们安定下来。 - So they killed them all. Now, you'd think
wiping out a race of people would calm them down, but no.
他们开始互相猜忌。 Instead, they started getting frightened of each other.
巫婆！ ---他们就开始把巫婆烧死。 [ both ]: Witch! - So they burned witches.
1775 年开始他们就为了自由杀英国人。 In 1775,
they started killing the British, so they could be free.
把英国人赶跑了，但还是觉得不安全。 And it worked. But they still didn't feel safe.
第二修正案又赋予了每个白人有保留枪支的权利。 So they passed a 2nd amendment, which said every white man
我爱我的步枪。 could keep his gun. - I loves my gun, loves my gun.
这让我们想到了天才的奴?制度。 - This brings us to the genius idea of slavery.
你们看，白人那时候也怕工作。 You see, boys and girls, the white people back then
于是他们就去非洲抓来了成千上万的黑人当奴?。 were also afraid of doing any work. So they went to Africa,
kidnapped thousands of black people, brought them to America,
让他们干重活又不给钱。但我不是那个意思： and forced them to work very hard for no money.
And I don't mean no money like:
我在 Wal-Mart超市工作但挣不到什么钱。 "I work at Wal-Mart and make no money."
我的意思是： 0美金，什么都没有！ I mean zero dollars. Nothing, nada, zip.
由此美国成为了世界上最富的国家！ Doing it that way made the USA
the richest country in the world.
财富和奴?让白人觉得安宁了吗？ So did having all that money and free help
不！ 他们更怕了！ calm the white people down? No way. They got even more afraid.
因为在200年奴?制后，南部的黑人比白人还多。 That's because after 200 years of slavery,
the black people now outnumbered the white people in many parts
你们可以想像这之后的发展。 of the South. Well, you can pretty much what came next.
奴?们革命了，而奴?主则被砍了头。 The slaves started rebelling. There were uprisings
and old masters' heads got chopped off
白人听到这些，就喊： and when white people heard of this, they were freaking out.
黑大人，请不要杀我！ They going: - I want to live!
还好Samuel Colt来的及时， Don't kill me, big black man.
- Well, just in the nick of time came Samuel Colt, who,
1836 他发明了第一支 in 1836, invented the first weapon ever that could be fired
不用反复重新装弹的枪支。 over and over without having to reload.
所有在南部的白人喊着： Yee-ha! And all the settlers were, like: - Yee-hah!
但太晚了，北方赢了南北战争。 - But it was too late. The North soon won the Civil War
奴?获得了自由，可以自由砍他们主人的头了。 and the slaves were free to go chop the old masters' heads off.
主人们喊：呕，不！我们要死了！ Then everybody was, like: - Oh, no, we're gonna die.
但被释放的奴?并没有向他们报仇。 他们只想在和平中生活。 - But the freed slaves took no revenge.
白人们认为这不可信。 They just wanted to live in peace.
于是成立3K党。 But you couldn't convince the white people of this.
1871年，3K党被宣布为恐怖组织。 So they formed the Ku Klux Klan and, in 1871,
the same year the Klan became an illegal terrorist organization,
另一个组织便被建立了：国家枪支所有者协会。 another group was founded: the National Rifle Association.
政治家们告别了一部 Soon, politicians passed one of the first gun laws,
让黑人拥有武器成为非法的武器法。 making it illegal for any black person to own one.
对美国来说是个重要的年头。3K党和 国家枪支所有者协会。 It was a great year for America. he KKK and the NRA.
两者之间当然没有联系。纯粹的巧合。 Of course, they had nothing to do with each other;
一个组织负责搞枪支， it was a coincidence. One group legally promoted responsible
而另外一个组织则私刑处死黑人。 gun ownership; the other shot and lynched black people.
直到1955年一直是这样， That's the way it was till 1955, when a black woman
直到一位黑人妇女拒绝坐到公共汽车后面去。 broke the law by refusing to move to the back of the bus.
白人简直不敢相信！ White people just couldn't believe it.
她想干什么？ ---这到底怎么了？ - Huh? Why won't she move? - What's going on?
突然就炸开了锅。到处有黑人要求他们的权利。 - Man, all hell broke loose. Black people everywhere demanded
而白人感到了前所未有的恐惧，喊着： their rights. White people had a major, freaky-feel meltdown
还是逃走吧！ and they were all, like: - Run away! Run away!
然后跑到郊区他们觉得安全和干净的地方， - And they did. They all ran fleeing to the suburbs,
where it was all white and safe and clean. And they went out
买上2亿5000万件武器， and bought a quarter-of-a-billion guns.
安全锁，警报装置，隔离篱笆。 And put locks on their doors, alarms in their houses,
and gates around the neighbourhoods.
总算又觉得安全了， And finally, they were all safe and secure and snug as a bug.
然后幸福地生活到晚年。 And everyone lived happily ever after.
是吗？真的吗？
如果看晚间新闻的话， - Because if you turn on the evening news,
美国还是很平静的。 America still seems like a pretty scary place.
他危险吗？ 他到底想干什么？ - Who is he? Is he dangerous? What's he up to?
你到底想干什么？
人们为什么有恐惧感？ - What are you trying to pull, man?
还记得“新千年恐惧”吗？ - Remember all the Y2Kscares?
没人跟我们说过， Weren't we told that our very society was about to collapse
如果某人忘了在电脑上打进一些字的话， 我们的世界就会崩溃的吗？ because somebody forgot
to type in a couple of digits on the computer?
会爆发大危机的。 - There's gonna be mass chaos and confusion.
今天晚上开始倒数。 - Tonight, the countdown begins.
老板会存活下去，而顾客则在准备 Y2K。 All day, store director Rick Smith
watched consumers get Y2K ready. - Batteries sell extremely well.
电池，灯，发电机会卖得很好， The lamp oil, generators.
让整个国家陷入一片混乱之后，午夜来临了。 - After sending the country into a panic,
the clock struck midnight...
而什么也没有发生。 And nothing happened.
那些要攻击美国的杀人蜂呢？ Or how about those killer bees
that were going to attack America?
它们今年会来的。 - We're almost certain they'll arrive this year.
那些非洲蜜蜂今年之内应该会到德克萨斯的。 - Shmidt expects the Africanized bees to reach Texas this year,
两到三年后会到亚里桑那。 cross into Arizona in about two to three years.
应该引起重视，因为那些杀人蜂是很具攻击性的。 He's concerned because the killer bee is overly aggressive.
它们通常甚至会跟出半英里去。 - They will follow you for half a mile.
那些蜜蜂却还是没有来。 - The bees never came.
而或者是谁在万圣节把剃须 刀片藏到苹果里的事件， Remember the first time you heard
that someone had hidden a razor blade in an apple at Halloween?
在很长的一段时间里，孩子们在万圣节不被 允许外出去接受陌生人给的糖果。 Before long,
kids were not permitted to go out in the dark on Halloween
and go trick-or-treating at strangers' homes.
许多人在万圣节也不分发糖果了。恐惧到处流窜。 - Many people say they won't give out candy treats on Halloween.
It's too dangerous and they're too scared.
事实是什么呢？从来也没有在一只 苹果里找到剃须刀片。 - Well, guess what?
There never was any razor blade in the apple.
而在过去40年里只有两位小 朋友死于万圣节的糖果。 In fact, only two kids
in the past 40 years have been killed by Halloween candy.
两位都不是故意地被自己的亲戚毒死了。 And both of them were poisoned on purpose by relatives.
就像看一部恐怖片一样。 - Bye.
[ reporter]: It was like a scene from a horror movie.
这个男人在割草时被一只狐狸攻击了。 This man was mowing his lawn when a fox darted out
of the woods and attacked his riding-mower.
针对减肥药作出了一些警告。 您所不知道的，是这些药同样可以致命。 - A warning about a popular weight-loss supplement.
What you don't know may kill you.
我们每天都上下自动扶梯，但 它们可以把一个人轻易挤碎。 - You ride them every day, but in an instant,
an escalator can mangle you or a loved one.
我们向您展示您是否也正在使用 一部" 危险 "的楼梯。 - We reveal why you may be riding on stairway to danger.
尽快采取措施，不要引人注意。 - You might want to take some extra precautions:
keep a low profile, don't go around dancing
不要和美国人在街上跳舞。 with a bunch of Americans in the streets.
也不要轻易让人察觉出你是美国人。 Make sure that you don't draw a lot of attention to yourself
五分之一的美国人有心理方面的问题。 and the fact that you're American.
- Nation's top doctor says one in five Americans
suffers some form of mental disorder.
卫生部长建议，现在去检查身体。 The surgeon general David Satcher pleads with people
to seek help now.
媒体，那些大公司，政客们...... - The media, the corporations, the politicians,
所有的这些都成功地让美国大众觉得自己正 have all done such a good job of scaring the American public,
处于一个甚至不需要说明的危险境地。 it's come to the point where they don't need to give
any reason at all.
今天司法部...... - Today, the Justice Department did issue a...
给出紧急警告通知。 a blanket alert.
然后他们对我们受到的一个威胁作出反应， It was in recognition of a general threat we received.
Uh, this is not the first time
这不是第一次司法部这么干了。 Uh, this is not the first time
这不是第一次司法部这么干了。
the Justice Department have acted like this. 这不是第一次司法部这么干了。
the Justice Department have acted like this.
但我希望这是最后一次。 I hope it's the last.
但那些做坏事的使这个愿望变得不可实现。 But given the attitude of the evildoers, it may not be.
我爱这条大道，在洛杉矶其他地方看不到这样的。 - I just love these boulevards down here, though.
You don't get this in most of L.A.
但每次我在这儿的时候，总是听到新闻里在说： South Central Los Angeles
- How come whenever I'm out here, though,
" 从南部中心一辆车里有子弹射出。" I turn on the 11-o'clock news and I hear, you know:
"Tonight in South Central, drive-by shooting."
或是 "这样或是那样的事情发生在南部中心"。 Or: "Tonight in South Central..."
“恐惧的文化” 作者:巴里·格拉斯纳-教授 Prof. Barry Glassner Author, "The Culture of Fear"
并不是空穴来风，不是吗？ ----是的，但报道的事件是被选出来的。 ...this, that or whatever. I mean, they're not making that up, are they?
- No, they're not making it up, but they're choosing
人们打开电视机看新闻， what they're covering. If you turn on the TV, on the news,
就看到危险的黑人青年，对不对？ what are you gonna hear about?
Dangerous black guys, right? Unnamed black guy who, you know,
一个无名的黑人， Dangerous black guys, right? Unnamed black guy who, you know,
好像犯了不知什么的罪。 accused of some crime or... - Right.
我们看到那些做了坏事的黑人， 或是听到类似的故事。 - You're gonna see pictures of black guys doing bad things,
and hearing stories about black guys doing bad things.
一辈子都在听这种故事。 And we've heard this our whole lives.
嫌疑人是一名大约20岁左右的黑人， - Now, the suspect is a black male in his twenties.
留着一个Afro式的鬓脚，带着一根银项练。 We are told he has a large afro, sideburns,
he was wearing a silver chain at the time.
警察在找一个1米8左右的黑人， - Police say the suspect is a black man.
Six foot one, 160 to 180 pounds, about 35 years in age.
大概80公斤重，35岁左右。 Six foot one, 160 to 180 pounds, about 35 years in age.
嫌疑犯为黑人，16到18岁。 - Suspect is a black male, age 16 to 18.
嫌疑犯为一非洲裔美国人。 - The suspect is African-American.
Police believe-- - Police say--
- The black man-- [ several ]: Suspect--
- The suspect is a black male - A black man.
[ various voices ]: A black... black... black...
- A black man.
Susan Smith 淹死了她的两个 孩子，然后到处跟人说， - Susan Smith drowns her two children.
She tells people a black guy... - Correct.
是一个黑人偷走了她的车和两个孩子。 所有的人都相信她。 - Stole the car and stole the kids.
一个男人在红绿灯那儿跳进 了她的车，抢走了她的孩子。 And everyone, at first, bought it.
- Some guy jumped into her car, with her two kids in it.
是个黑人。 Then he took off. That's a black guy, she says.
是一个黑人吗？ ---是的。 - Black male? - Yes, Ma'am.
我还向孩子们喊了我爱他们。 - And I told them I loved them. I hollered I loved them
真是太可怕了。 And it's just a tragedy.
"一个匿名的 '老手'， 或者说：一个黑人干的。" - The anonymous urban - which means usually black -
就只这套说法，一切都变为可能了。 male, comes by and does this.
It's the excuse for all kinds of things.
Charles Stuart，一个波士顿的律师， 杀害了他正怀孕的妻子， - Charles Stewart, a lawyer in Boston...
然后说，是一个黑人干的。 所有人都相信他。 - Right, exactly. - ...kills his pregnant wife,
says a black guy did it; everybody buys it.
嫌疑犯是个黑人，大约1米8那么高， - The suspect described as a black male about six feet tall.
Stuart 夫妇在从一个 心理助产培训班 回来的时候遭到了枪击。 Chuck and Carol Stewart were robbed at gunpoint
又是一个让人觉得耳熟能详的恶梦一样的故事。 as they left a Lamaze class.
It seemed the ultimate urban nightmare.
你们知道我为什么这么爱这个国家吗？ - You know, the thing I love about this country of mine,
不管我是个变态杀人犯还是个总统候选人， is that whether you're a psychotic killer
or running for president of the United States,
对于一件事情我可以很肯定： 就是白人出于骨子里的对黑人的恐惧感。 the one thing you can always count on
is white America's fear of the black man.
从电视上和报上可以看到， - We've heard the stories on the news and in the papers
他们杀人： and they have killed people.
那些杀人蜂，也被称为非洲蜂， Killer bees, also known
我感到很害怕。 as "Africanized" bees.
Rosemary Shibley 绝没有想到， - I'm scared. I'm really worried.
- Rose Shipley never expected a nest of Africanized killer bees
杀人蜂会在正对她房子的地方造起一个窝来。 to shack up across the street from her.
我被它们弄得浑身起鸡皮疙瘩。 还有我的孙子也是。 - But I'm terribly allergic to them and so are my grandkids.
杀人蜂原本来自于东南非。 - They're originally from southern and eastern Africa.
Warrick Care 博士1956年带了一些样本去巴西， Dr. Warrick Care brought some to Brazil in 1956
想让它们和我们所熟悉的欧洲蜜蜂进行交配。 and tried to mate them
但它们却逃走了，逃到了美国南部。 with the European bee, the kind that we're used to.
But they got loose and moved to the southern United States.
非洲蜂比我们所知道的任何一 种蜜蜂都要来得具有进攻性， - The main difference between a traditional honey bee
and an Africanized bee is the bee's aggressiveness.
如果我要对非洲蜂这么干的话， If I was to do this to an Africanized bee's hive,
一分钟内我就会被刺几百下。 I could have several hundred stings in a matter of minutes.
Danny 自己就养殖性情温和的欧洲蜂。 对它们他很了解。 - Danny Self raises the kinder, gentler European bees,
and he's done the research.
想要区分两者只能通过去量它们的体长， - The only way that you can tell
the two of them, is doing measurements on the body parts.
黑种群成为了别人的娱乐对像。 - Quite frankly, the black community has become
entertainment for the rest of the community.
什么？ - Meaning what?
杀人放火的事件一样娱乐人们的神经。 Arthur Busch County Prosecutor - Flint, Michigan
血腥一点好。就能上头条了。 - The entertainment being that the crime of the day -
you know, "If it bleeds, it leads" -
gets to be the front story and then that becomes the perception
全国的人脑子里都会是这么一幅图像。 gets to be the front story and then that becomes the perception
全国的人脑子里都会是这么一幅图像。
and the image of an entire people. 全国的人脑子里都会是这么一幅图像。
and the image of an entire people.
这和真相无关。 Which couldn't be further from the truth, in my opinion.
恰恰相反。 In fact, you'll find, I think,
大多数非洲裔美国人反对自由拥有枪支。 most African-Americans are quite adverse to gun possession.
在城市的郊区却是这样的意见成为主流：
In suburbia, I think, 在城市的郊区却是这样的意见成为主流：
从城里面出来的危险的乌合之众， there's some notion that there's going to be an invading horde, 在城市的郊区却是这样的意见成为主流：
从城里面出来的危险的乌合之众， there's some notion that there's going to be an invading horde,
come from either the city or from someplace unknown,
或者随便从哪个不知名的地方来的，想 毁掉郊区的这片宁静之土。 come from either the city or from someplace unknown,
或者随便从哪个不知名的地方来的，想 毁掉郊区的这片宁静之土。
to savage their suburban community. 或者随便从哪个不知名的地方来的，想 毁掉郊区的这片宁静之土。
to savage their suburban community.
我觉得这种想法不但奇怪， To me, not only is it bizarre, but it's totally, uh...
而且毫无道理。 我觉得这种想法不但奇怪， To me, not only is it bizarre, but it's totally, uh...
而且毫无道理。
unfounded. 而且毫无道理。
unfounded.
枪并没有举在弗林特城里面孩子的手上， And these pistols, curiously enough,
weren't being taken off kids in the city of Flint,
而是那些来自郊区的孩子，那些来自 超级平静社区的年轻人们。 but were being taken off of kids out in the out-county area,
in the suburban communities. And--
并不是那些就读于城里学校的黑人孩子们 - I didn't think that's what you were gonna say.
I thought you were gonna say that it's all these black kids
才拥有武器？ in the inner-city schools that had these guns.
不，是这样的...... - No, that's...
在市里面我们在武器方面从没有什么问题。 We've never really had many problems with guns in the city.
Not to say that we haven't; we've had some.
当然有时会有个别个案，但从来 就没有成为过主要的问题。 But that's never been the biggest problem.
主要的问题是合法拥有武器的 The biggest problem has been the gun possession
住在郊区的年轻人。 by these adolescents in suburbia.
你哪儿来的武器？ ----偷来的。 - How'd you get a gun?
从谁那儿？ 从一个朋友那儿。 - I stole mine. I stole it from a friend of mine.
他爸有武器。 ----那你们拿它干什么呢？ His dad owns a bunch of guns.
到底特律卖掉。 - What we're you doing with the stolen guns?
一支9毫米口径的我可以得到150块。 - We went down to Detroit and started selling them.
'Cause I can get, like, a buck fifty a pop for a 9-millimetre.
真的？ 你卖给谁了？ 'Cause I can get, like, a buck fifty a pop for a 9-millimetre.
真的？ 你卖给谁了？
谁出得起钱就卖谁。主要是那些帮派。 - Oh, really. Who were you trying to sell them to? 真的？ 你卖给谁了？
谁出得起钱就卖谁。主要是那些帮派。 - Oh, really. Who were you trying to sell them to?
- Anybody that would really want 'em. Gangs and stuff like that.
底特律的帮派？黑人？ - Gangs in the city of Detroit? - Yeah.
最主要就是他们。 底特律的帮派？黑人？ - Gangs in the city of Detroit? - Yeah.
最主要就是他们。
现在退出了？ ---是的，我自由了。 - Black? - Uh, predominantly. Yeah.
- Yeah. So now you're out now, you're okay.
还卖武器吗？ ---不卖了，现在这事情有点太冒险了。 - Yeah, I'm free now. I'm completely clear.
- You can keep selling guns. - I can't keep selling guns.
这儿的所有人都知道我。 It's getting too risky. Everybody knows me up here.
那些需要武器或是毒品的人就到我家来找我。 People want guns, drugs or alcohol, they come to my house
不能再这样了。太麻烦了...... and that's just too much.
- Yeah, too much hassle. - Yeah.
我计划中的最好的情况是这样的： - My favourite statistic in all the research I did discovered
谋杀案的犯罪率降低20%， that the murder rate had gone down by 20%. The coverage -
电视里的谋杀报道 谋杀案的犯罪率降低20%， that the murder rate had gone down by 20%. The coverage -
电视里的谋杀报道
that is, how many murders are on the evening news - 电视里的谋杀报道
that is, how many murders are on the evening news -
增长600%。 it went up by 600%.
美国大众就会从电视台 - The American people are conditioned by network TV,
和新闻媒体这儿得到这样的信息并且相信： by local news,
他们所处的社区比事实上看上去的更危险。 to believe that their communities are
much more dangerous than they actually are.
在我们这儿犯罪率8年来都在减少。 For example, here, in this community,
crime has decreased every year for the past eight years.
但武器拥有率，特别是手枪却在持续增长。 Yet, gun ownership, particularly handgun ownership,
犯罪率跌啊跌， is on the increase.
- Crime rates have been dropping, dropping, dropping.
对犯罪的恐惧却在那儿长阿长。 Fear of crime has been going up, up, up.
这怎么可能呢？这不是很不合逻辑吗？ How can that be possible? It doesn't make any sense.
不，这是很逻辑化的，如果人们看到， But it makes perfect sense when you see what we're hearing
那些政客和媒体所宣扬的东西的话。 from politicians and seeing in the news media.
我们现在在Florence 路和 Normandie路的十字路口。 - So we're, uh, we're right here
on the corner of Florence and Normandie.
这儿曾是洛杉矶混乱的中心地带。 It's kind of Ground Zero for the L.A. riots.
- Right.
一些在南部中心闲逛的白人 - You know, if a couple of white guys
would go down and walk around South Central,
就在这儿被杀了。事情也被广为报道了。 they're gonna get killed.
Which I can tell you is a common perception.
但老实说，在这儿，在我们身上会发生 什么事情的概率其实非常低。 The odds that something's going to happen to us
are really, really slight.
简直极小。 Minuscule. - Right. Okay.
但那前面就是另外的一个标记了： 好莱坞的像征性标记。 - But you know, if you look up there,
you get a different symbol of the Hollywood sign.
对于人们来说是同这个十字 路口不一样的一些东西， It means something very different
than the corner of Florence and Normandie.
一些必要的闪光的东西， 但可惜我们就是看不见。 For most Americans and most of the world,
是的，我看不见。 到底在哪儿？ it means glamour and Hollywood, except that we can't see it.
你可以因为要注视一些更危险的事情而看不见， - I can't see the Hollywood sign. Where is it?
- Right. You can't see it because of something that's probably...
much more dangerous for us right now,
或者因为我们所正在呼吸的空气。 which is the stuff we're breathing.
空气污染把视线隔离了， - The pollution that's blocking the Hollywood sign,
we're breathing this.
这已经足够比媒体告诉我们的事情要危险多了。 That's far more dangerous than all the other stuff the media's
telling us to be afraid of. - Right.
当我们离开Florence路和Normandie路的十字路口 的时候，天空中出现了几架直升机。 - As we left the corner of Florence and Normandie,
I noticed that a number of helicopters
had appeared in the sky.
而几分钟之后新闻报道队也来了。 Within seconds, the news media
发生什么事了？ ---我以为您知道。 started to arrive. - So what's the story here?
- I'm waiting. I thought you would know.
我什么都不知道。 ---不知道哪个家伙拿着武器在干什么， - No, I don't know anything.
- The Sergeant just told me there's a guy with a gun.
其余的我也不知道了。 但没什么事发生就不会有摄像机过来。 But they're not sure. That's all they told me.
Since there's no action, I'm not getting my camera down.
我们转去另一个故事吧。 ----哪一个？ - I just happened to see the chopper, going to another story.
快要被淹死的故事。 ---淹死？ - What story are you going to? - It's a near-drowning.
是快要被淹死。 - It's a drowning? - A near-drowning.
你认为人们因为烟雾而连好莱坞山都 看不见了，然后会怎么样？ - How about a story about how you can't see
the Hollywood Hills because of the pollution?
造个故事吧。 ---有关烟雾吗？好的。 Could you maybe do a story on that tonight?
真的什么都看不见。 - Pollution, that's rather good. I find that good.
You can't see it. You can't see anything around here.
如果让你选，一个武装暴徒还有 一个快要淹死的孩子， - If you have to choose between a guy with a gun
你会选择去哪一边？ -----去武装暴徒那边。 and a near-drowning of a baby - you could only be one place--
- I go with the gun. - You go with the gun, always.
一切都过去了吗？
Is it all over, here? It's all over? All over? 一切都过去了吗？
Is it all over, here? It's all over? All over?
还没有。 - Not yet, not yet. - Looks like it.
你等一下那边那个下士。他知道细节。 - Just wait for these sergeants down here to come down,
'cause they got all the details.
我今天才来到洛杉矶，但我却 看不见好莱坞的标志。 - Okay. Hey, I was just wondering -
I just got here to L.A. today - I can't see the Hollywood sign,
从这个十字路口。由于空气污染。 down on the hills there, down Normandie.
You can't see the sign 'cause of the pollution.
您难道不能因为空气污染而逮捕谁吗？ - Right. - Is there anybody you can arrest
for polluting up the air? - Absolutely not.
不行。 ---就是说没人对此负责？ - Nobody? - No.
没有。 ---为什么？ - Why is that?
为什么没有，下士？ Why is that, Sergeant?
- He's fighting!
十年以来电视里都有那么一个节目， 目的在于最终让白人和黑人 - For over a decade,
there has been one show on American television
走到一起来，为我们的多元文化而高呼万岁。 that has consistently brought black and white people together
in an effort to reduce our fears
and celebrate our diversity.
这个节目的名字叫： "警察" That show is Cops.
我拜访了当时"警察" 节目的制作助理 和 "世界最狂野警察录像"节目的制作人， I went to see a former producer of "Cops"
and executive producer
of World's Wildest Police Videos:
Dick Hurland先生。 Mr. Dick Herland.
您在百科全书里会在 "自由主义者" 这个概念下找到我。 - Look "liberal" up in the dictionary
您为什么不制作一部 and I think my picture's in there somewhere,
- So then, you know, why not be compelled to do, you know,
以犯罪的原因作为主题的节目呢？ a show that focuses on, you know, what's causing the crime,
而不是现在的以追捕犯罪分子作为主题。 as opposed to just chasing the criminals down?
因为那样会很困难。我不知道那样 的一个节目看上去会是怎样的。 - Because I think it's harder to do that show.
愤怒，仇恨和暴力四处蔓延， I don't know what that show would be.
Anger does well, hate does well, violence does well.
容忍，理解和死亡却不那么被接受。 Tolerance and understanding and trying to learn to be
a little different than you were last year does less well.
您是指收视率？ ----是的。 - Does less well in the ratings. - Oh yeah.
也许在电视里我们 - Maybe because we, in the television business,
就被往那个方向引，就是丑化黑人 和比如西班牙裔人种。 because we tend to demonize black and Hispanic people,
观众们会说： "我不会帮这些人的！ then those watching it at home are going:
"I don't want to help those people.
我恨他们。他们会对我们不利的。" I'm not going to do anything to help them.
Because I hate them now, because they may hurt me."
您理解这些吗？ You know what I'm saying? - I know what you're saying,
是的，但我不认为我们正在这样做。 您理解这些吗？ You know what I'm saying? - I know what you're saying,
是的，但我不认为我们正在这样做。
I'm not sure that's what we're doing. 是的，但我不认为我们正在这样做。
I'm not sure that's what we're doing.
我不知道我们是不是正在把 黑人和西班牙裔恶魔化。 I'm not sure we're demonizing
black and Hispanic people, uh... particularly.
我想，我们只是太频繁地把 他们和犯罪联系起来了...... I don't think we show black and Hispanic people
as being criminals.
当然也许在这方面他们的确领先。但是...... I'd like to say not more often,
but probably they are more often.
我们并不是故意要把他们恶魔化。 But I certainly don't think... We're certainly not trying
我们在电视机里展示他们， to demonize black and Hispanic people.
- We show them on the news, we show them on TV,
把他们称为带来恐惧的家伙。 as pretty scary people.
是的，我还是愿意以另一种方式来描述他们的。 - Yeah.
And I agree. I'd like to see that reversed
as much as possible. I...
我...... as much as possible. I...
我......
那就从今天开始！ - Start tonight. - Well, the thing is,
问题是我不知道，该怎样来解释这件事情。 I don't know how to start tonight.
I don't know how to tell that story.
如果我足够聪明的话..... ---那我给您出个主意。 If I was smart enough to do that...
- I'll pitch you one. - Okay. All right.
您可以把您的节目称为"经济警察"。 - Um... um...
Do a show called not Cops but Corporate Cops.
"Corporation man Hey Corporate man
"We're coming out to get you better run while you can
"We're coming out to get you better run while you can"
主意不错，但那就不是精彩有趣的实况节目了。 - Uh... I love the idea.
I don't think it would make very interesting reality TV.
除非人们看到这些家伙坐在他们的大房车里 Unless we can get those people to get in their SUVs
然后很快地从警察面前逃走。 and drive really fast down the road away from the police.
但是每个最普通的美国上班族， - But I'm telling you, everyone in America
who's got just your basic, everyday job
都很愿意看见他的老板在街上连 衬衫都没穿地被人追， is gonna love watching the boss
being chased down the street with his shirt off,
然后被打翻在地。这会带来收视率的！ thrown to the ground
and a knee to the neck. I tell you, that is gonna get ratings.
如果我能找到一个 - Yeah, I'm with you. And if I can find a police outfit
正在追捕经济罪犯的警察小组的话， that would prosecute corporate criminals appropriately
然后跟在他们后面...... and would go after them appropriately... In other words,
就是说，如果有一个家伙偷了个里面有 85美金的包而由此应该得到惩罚， what you do to a man who's just stolen a lady's purse
那就应该是一种合适的惩罚。 with $85 to it,
than you need to do an appropriate response
如果还有从有需要的人那儿偷走 8500万美金的人的话， to a man who has just stolen $85 million from indigent people,
那我们肯定是要拍他的！ then, boy, we're gonna be out there filming that.
问题是如果警察追踪那个偷走8500万美金的家伙， But as a matter of fact, when police go after the guy
s像一个市议员一样对待他， 而或许他本来就是， who's just stolen $85 million,
they treat him like he was a member of the city council -
那就不是一个紧张的电视节目了。 as he may or may not be - and it's not exciting television.
如果他们能成功地脱下他的衬衫， If you could get that guy to take his shirt off...
- Right.
然后他把手机扔向警察， - Yeah, and throw his cellular phone at the police
as they come through the door,
跳出窗外，那我们就有一个真正的节目可看了。 try to jump out that window, then we'd have a show.
在加拿大如果在电视里看到暴力景像， 就会知道，这绝不是发生在身边的事情。 - You watch violence on TV in a place like Canada
and you know it's not happening next door.
但在这儿，电视里看到的， 就真的发生在自己身边。 You watch it here, and you know it is happening next door.
我不知道区别在哪里。 ---为什么在加拿大就不会发生这种事情？ - Right. - I think that's...
I don't know what the difference is,
but there's a big difference. - Yeah, but why isn't...
那为什么那儿不会一年有 10000件谋杀案那么多呢？ Why isn't it happening in Canada?
Why aren't there, you know, 10,000 murders a year?
不知道，但我老了想去加拿大， 因为这听上去棒极了。 - I don't know, but I want to go to Canada to retire,
or something, 'cause it sounds like where we want to be.
我倒是很想知道区别到底在哪里，您不想吗？ I'd like to find out what that difference is. Wouldn't you?
不，我也想把原因找出来。 - Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to find out.
知道你们现在该在哪儿吗？ Where are you supposed to be right now?
在学校。 - School. - School.
你不怕错过什么重要课程吗？ ----不，事实上我还老是帮别人做功课。 - School.
- Aren't you worried about what you're not learning?
- Nah, I'm mostly helping everybody else in the class.
我几乎不去。 Then I barely get to do my work. - How about you? You're not
你不担心你的课程进度吗？ ---我还有书可以看。 worried about your education? - Well, I've got the textbook.
你们是怎么想的，为什么我们在 美国会有那么多谋杀案？ - Why do you think we have so many, uh...
不知道。 也许是互相之间的仇恨这样类似的东西。 gun murders in America? - Uh...
I have no idea. People must hate each other or something.
加拿大人就不这样吗？ - Oh, you mean Canadians don't hate each other?
应该也是吧，但我们也不是 为了报复就拿起枪杀人的。 - Well, we do but we don't go to the point of shooting somebody
just to get revenge. - What do you do?
那怎么办呢？ ---我们就让他不舒服。 - I don't know. Tease them, maybe.
取笑他。 ---向他扔鸡蛋。 Make fun of them, ridicule them. - Throw eggs at them.
在Sarnia这儿今年发生了几起凶杀案 ？ - How many gun murders in Sarnia this year?
零件。 ---那去年呢？ - None. - Last year?
我想，一件吧。 - I believe we had one, at the time.
前年？ ---我想不起来了...... - The year before that?
- I can't recall what we had in the way of--
过去三年里就只有一件？ ---也许是的。 - Maybe one in the last three years?
- Probably, yes. - Mm-hm.
真是非常少了，对于这么一个城市来说。 - Very low. Very low for this city.
其实当然没有谋杀案了， 就在这么个70000人口的小城这里。 - Well, of course, there's no murders here
because there's only 70,000 people
而且这儿是世界亲吻之都。 and it's the kissing capital of the world.
于是我又去一个有 Sarnia 5 倍那么大的加拿大城市： Ontario的温莎城。 So I went down the river to another Canadian city
that was five times as large as Sarnia:
Windsor, Ontario, just across the river from Detroit.
就跟底特律隔河相对。 Windsor, Ontario, just across the river from Detroit.
就跟底特律隔河相对。
那儿应该会有更多的谋杀案吧。 I was sure there'd be more murders in Windsor. 就跟底特律隔河相对。
那儿应该会有更多的谋杀案吧。 I was sure there'd be more murders in Windsor.
听说过温莎这儿以前发生过的枪杀案吗？ Ever hear of anyone being shot by a gun in Windsor?
- No. No.
这儿以前有谋杀案发生过？ - You remember any murders here?
有过一起，很久以前的事情了。 - Uh, there was one a long time ago. Probably--
多久？ - How long ago? - Oh...
在属于您的时代喽？ ---是的，大概15，20年前吧，有过一起凶杀案。 - In your lifetime? - In my lifetime,
probably around 15, 20 years ago, there was one murder.
这个温莎的警察在告诉我他能回忆起来的 过去三年里发生的唯一一起谋杀案。 - In fact, this Windsor policeman told me
that the only gun murder
he could recall in Windsor in the last three years
是一个从底特律来的家伙拿着一支从 明尼苏答州偷来的枪干的。 was committed by a guy from Detroit,
who had a stolen gun from Minnesota.
在温莎的40万加拿大人，没有一个拿着枪 朝着自己的同胞射击的。 With nearly 400,000 people in the Windsor area,
there were simply no Canadians shooting other Canadians.
我觉得，应该是用有关加拿大人的这些 事实让我的同胞清醒的时候了。 I thought it might be time
for some fun facts about Canada.
我走上纽约的大街，想问一些平常的美国人 I hit the streets of New York to find out what
the average American thought about our friendly neighbour
对我们友好和善的北方邻居的看法。 to the north.
加拿大人并不像美国人那样看那么多暴力电影。 - Canadians don't watch as much violent movies as Americans do.
错了。 - That's wrong.
在整个国家范围内的无所事事的加拿大年轻人 都在等着看好莱坞出品的下一部血腥屠杀片子。 Hordes of young boys, all throughout Canada,
eagerly await the next Hollywood bloodbath.
那个家伙的腿被打掉了。 ---还有好多姑娘们呢...... - Then one of the guy gets his leg taken off.
- Oh, wow! - And there was a lot of girls,
基本上就不穿什么，有时甚至是裸着的。 ----真是酷极了。 and naked at one point. - I like that stuff.
你们看了什么片子？ ---"第六日"。 - What movie did you see tonight? - Sixth Day.
是施瓦辛格演的吧? - With Arnold Schwarzenegger? - Yeah.
你们现在就很喜欢这样的游戏喽？ - Did it make you want to come out here
这个嘛...... and play this shoot-'em-up game?
- Well... yeah.
那儿并没有那么多的贫穷现像...... - There's no poverty in Canada like there is here...
像在美国那样。 in the States.
又错了。 - Wrong again.
我们的失业率更高。 Mayor Mike Bradley Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
密歇根州是4%，我们这儿是8-9%。 - Actually, we've also had a much higher unemployment rate.
When Michigan rate was running at 4%, we were still at 8-9%,
这个比例老是降不下去。 We seem to have an institutional unemployment rate.
在加拿大主要是白人在那儿生活。 - I think there'd mostly be white people in Canada.
嗯，很少吧。 - Hmm... that's strange, 'cause when I'm in Canada,
我在加拿大的时候，到处看到黑人。 嗯，很少吧。 - Hmm... that's strange, 'cause when I'm in Canada,
我在加拿大的时候，到处看到黑人。
I see black people everywhere. 我在加拿大的时候，到处看到黑人。
I see black people everywhere.
还有黄种人，棕色人种。 13%的人口不是白种人。 And yellow people, and brown people...
and 13% of the country is non-white.
就是说加拿大人的情况和我们是很相像的。 So the Canadians are
所以为什么在他们那儿只有这么少 的谋杀案的原因就只可能是 pretty much just like us. And the reason that they have (Toronto, Canada)
so few murders has to be because they've got
因为他们中拥有武器的人很少。 so few guns.
有的是什么样的武器？ ----我是猎人， What kind of guns do you own? - Uh, I hunt.
用步枪，霰弹枪，手枪。 I own rifles and shotguns, and I own pistols.
一共多少件？ ---大概7件吧。 - Mm-hm. So how many guns total? - Uh... Probably about seven.
你有武器吗？ ---有很多呢。 - Seven guns? - Yeah.
- Do you have a gun? - I have a few.
多少？ ----6件。 - How many guns do you have? - Half a dozen.
你的熟人中多少人有武器？ - You could name how many people that own guns, that you know?
两个，三个，还是一打？ ----更多。 Two, three, a dozen? - More than that.
许多这儿的人都有武器。 - There's a tremendous amount of gun ownership.
这是一片很大的地方。打猎和捕鱼 在这儿很有传统。 We're a large country geographically.
We grew up with hunting and fishing being a tradition.
在加拿大大约3000万的公民中， - In Canada, with a population of just around 30 million -
大约有1000万个家庭。 there's about 10 million families -
毛估估大约有7百万件武器。 and the best estimate is somewhere in the region
of seven-million guns.
呕，加拿大倒真是个热爱武器， 为武器而发狂的国家喽。 - Wow!
Canada was one gun-loving,
gun-toting, gun-crazy country!
这儿哪儿有武器卖？ ---市里面到处都有。 Where can you get a gun? - Uptown, any time I want.
您有一支Glock。 我在加拿大什么地方还能看到这种东西？ - I see you're a Glock owner.
Where can I get a Glock in Canada?
在几乎所有的武器店，只要他们是有执照的。 - Most gun stores'll sell 'em to you
if you have the proper permits and stuff.
那现在我就让大家看看作为外国人的我， 尽管有严格的武器管理制度， - In fact, despite all their tough gun laws,
take a look at what I,
a foreign citizen, was able to do
但还能在这地方的Wal-Mart 超市能办到的事情。 at the local Canadian Wal-Mart.
弹药在哪里？ ----弹药？这儿。 Where's the ammunition at? - Where's the ammunition?
- Yeah. - Back here.
您需要什么？ ---子弹。 What kind are you looking for? - You know, like, bullets.
对，完全正确。 That's right.
在加拿大，只要我想要，我 就能得到不限量的弹药。 I could buy as much live ammunition as I wanted to
您这儿收美金吗？ in Canada. You take American?
您要关门吗？ ----不。 Do you lock your doors?
难道您不怕吗？ - No. - Are you afraid of anything?
不怕。 Sarnia, Canada
那晚上锁门吧？ - Nah, not really, no. - Do you lock your doors at night?
真的不关？ - No. - You don't lock your doors?
您真的什么都不怕？ ---确实什么都不怕。 - No. - Well, what do you...
Are you afraid of anything? - Not really.
您碰到过入室撬窃这类的事情吗？ ---是的。 - Have you ever been broken into? - Yes, I have. Yeah.
怎么样了呢？ - What happened? - They broke into my home.
我当时并不在家。 I wasn't there. They broke in,
他们偷了酒和香烟就离开了。 they stole some booze and cigarettes and they left.
也许是些小孩，只是为了好玩。 So I figure it must've been some teenagers
out to have a little bit of fun. That's all they took, though.
就是这些东西了。 一些酒和香烟。 Just some booze and some cigarettes.
您曾经成为过犯罪事件的受害者吗？ - Have you ever been a victim of crime?
什么样的犯罪事件？ - Yes. - What kind of crime?
当我睡觉时，有人进来， - Uh, I've had people walk in while I've been sleeping
把我的家翻得一团糟，偷了些东西。 and vandalize my home and steal from me.
那您还不锁门？ - And that didn't want to make you lock your doors at night?
- No. No.
作为一个家里有着三重门锁的 美国人来说，我当时真的傻掉了。 - As an American with three locks on his doors,
I found this all a bit confusing.
甚至在百万人口城市多伦多，人们也不锁门。 Even here, in Toronto, a city of millions,
people just didn't lock their doors.
为什么你们不像我们一样锁门呢？
So you don't lock your doors but we, Americans, do. Why is that? 为什么你们不像我们一样锁门呢？
So you don't lock your doors but we, Americans, do. Why is that?
你们怕你们的邻居吧。 - You must be afraid of your neighbour.
您晚上也不锁门？ - Do you ever leave your doors unlocked at home?
- Yeah. - Yeah, you do?
你们住哪儿？ Where do you live? - Right around here.
就这儿。 ----多伦多？ - Toronto? - Around here.
而你们不锁门？ - You leave your doors unlocked? - Yeah.
美国人总是想， - You'd think, as Americans,
锁会阻止别人闯进你的家来。 that the lock is keeping people out of your place.
我们加拿大人就会觉得这样像被关起来了， We, as Canadians, see it more as, uh...
如果我们锁门的话。 when we lock the door, we're imprisoning ourselves inside.
所以你们不愿意这么做？ ---是的，不愿意。 - You don't want to do that.
我们不愿意...... 不愿意。 - Not really, no.
We don't want to... No.
我悄悄地进入多伦多的一个居民区， 来调查不关门这件事是不是真的。 - I decided to go unannounced to a neighbourhood in Toronto
to see if this unlocked-door thing was true.
对不起，只是想看一下。 Oh, hi. I'm sorry. Just checking.
[ dog barking ] Oh, hello!
没人锁门。 - Oh, hi. - Hi.
在城里没人锁门。 ---我应该这么做吗？ - Nobody locks their doors.
Nobody locks their doors in this town.
不，不。 - You want to lock? - No, no, no.
您很喜欢住在这儿吧？ ----是的，很喜欢。 Do you like living here? - I like it very much.
这件T恤衫？ ---也很棒。 - Yeah? And the T-shirt? - The T-shirt too.
您的门就那么敞开着，您难道不怕吗？ - This door was wide open. And you're not afraid?
怕什么？ ---不知道什么的东西。 - Should I be afraid? - I don't know. You live here.
不，我不怕。 - I don't think I'm afraid. - You're not, are you?
非常感谢。 ---没问题。 Thank you very much. - All right. No problem.
请原谅我的闯入。 ---没关系。 - I'm sorry about the intrusion. - No, no problem.
再次感谢您没有用枪打死我。 - Thank you for not shooting me. - No problem at all.
我必须承认： 作为一个美国人来说 这一切都实在太新鲜了。 - Bye-bye. - Okay.
- As an American,
I gotta say this all seemed kind of strange.
直到我在一个小酒馆里看到新闻正在 播送什么的时候我才有点明白了。 Until I looked up at the TV
in the bar and noticed what they watched
for their evening news.
他们是我们的朋友。我们将耐心听他们叙说。 - They're friends of ours.
We'll certainly listen to them courteously and carefully,
不应该别人对我们说该发动 战争，我们就去发动战争。 but you don't just make war just 'cause someone says so.
加拿大人是不会每天晚上都被 灌输这也恐怖那也恐怖的思想的。 - The Canadians weren't being pumped full of fear.
而他们的政客们在谈论的都是些可笑的事情。 And their politicians seemed to talk kind of funny.
他们需要幼儿园，为他们的 老人还需要一个老人院， Mayor Mike Bradley Sarnia, Canada
- ...making sure they have good daycare, assistance for their parents
when they're elderly and need to be in an old-age home,
一个健康保障机制， that they have proper health care that insures
以此来保障他们不会因为支付很高 的医疗费用而变得一无所有。 that they won't lose their business or their house
because they can't afford their medical bills.
这样人们才算是建立起了一个健康的安定的社会。 That's how you build a good society.
大家应该一起来达到优胜的态势， 而不能是只向那些弱势群体开刀。 No one wins unless everyone wins. And you don't win
可惜的是在美洲还是有很多讲法制 的政府却坚持这样一种偏见， by beating up on people who can't defend themselves.
And that's been the approach, unfortunately,
that's been spreading with some of the right-wing governments
总是给那些没有能力保护自己的弱势群体设置障碍， across North America. They pick onto people
而给予那些其实根本不需要的人 财政或是税收方面的优惠待遇。 that can't defend themselves and at the same time,
they're turning around and giving financial support
and tax breaks and tax benefits to people that don't need them.
那您认为在这个城市里那些有需求的人在哪儿呢？ - Where are the indigents in the city? Where do they live?
那些有需求的人...... - Uh... indigent... uh...
第一次听到这种称呼？ - You act like you've never heard the word before.
我们在这儿并没有类似的问题。 - There's... We don't have that problem here, really. It's...
我求他至少带我去参观一个加拿大的贫民区。 - So I asked him,
"Could you at least take me to a Canadian slum,"
加拿大的贫民区就是这样。 and well...
this is what a ghetto looks like in Canada.
那是不是可以这么说，从加拿大人的民族 性来说，如果有一个人生病了，很自然的他 Is this the same mentality that says, with Canadians, if someone
gets sick, they should actually be able to have health care?
就会得到治疗。 ---绝对是这样的。 gets sick, they should actually be able to have health care?
就会得到治疗。 ---绝对是这样的。
- Yeah. - Oh, definitely. 就会得到治疗。 ---绝对是这样的。
- Yeah. - Yup. 就会得到治疗。 ---绝对是这样的。
- Yeah. - Yup.
为什么？ - Why?
没什么为什么，就是这样的！ ---生存是基本人权。 - Because!
- Human rights. Everyone's got the right to live.
您刚从急诊室出来？ --是的。 - You just came out of the emergency room?
您为了治疗花了多少钱？ - Yes, I did.
这我不知道，都是保险公司付的。 - How much did you have to pay for your treatment?
- The bill is covered by our hospital plan.
您一点钱都不用出？ --不用。 - You're telling me you didn't have to pay anything?
我有亲戚在美国， - No, I don't.
- I have family that lives in the States.
他们是从加拿大移民过去的。 They used to live in Canada and moved over there.
那儿什么都和这里不一样，那 儿的人显得更谨小慎微一些， And it's so different. - They get afraid more easily.
是的，绝对正确。 - Oh, yeah.
Yeah, very much so.
总是反应过度。 'Cause everybody reacts over there just like that.
从不先用脑子想一想。 They don't stop and think.
总是马上就拔出武器： “滚出我的地盘去！” First reaction is pull the gun out. "You're on my property."
You know, like...
我真的不懂，但我们这儿确实就不同多了。 I don't know. It's just different over here.
您住在哪儿？ ---在底特律。 - Where do you live? - Detroit. (Windsor, Canada)
您在加拿大晚上会出门吗？ ---是的。 - Come over to Canada here for the night?
这儿的人们更开放，更友好一些。 - Right.
- People are more open-minded here, a bit more welcoming.
请您谈谈过来后的感觉，请说真话。 - Feel any difference when you cross over to this country?
这儿更舒服一点。 Be honest, now, come on. - It's a lot lighter.
在美国，种族之间的隔离更明显一些。 - The segregation over there is definitely much more--
- In the United States. - ...more intensified
in the States, yeah. - Yeah.
- 所以，你可以......你能感觉到。 - So you can... You can feel it.
在这儿，你就是你。 ---对，这就是加拿大人。 - Almost like they just let you be.
- That's Canada for you.
美国的电视里总是演些谋杀，枪战和暴力镜头。 - Every time I turn on the TV in the States,
it's always about a murder here, a gunfight, hostile position...
我觉得，在美国，人们总想以暴力来解决问题。 - I just think the States, their view of things is fighting.
That's how they resolve everything.
如果哪个地方出问题了，就送些人去打仗来解决问题， If there's... there's something going on in another country,
they send people over to fight it and...
当加拿大在交涉或是寻找其他的解决方法的时候， - They are the most powerful country in the world, though.
- Canada's more just, like, "Let's negotiate,
美国就会说： “我们宰了你们，从此天下太平。” let's work something out." Where the States is,
"We'll kill you and that'll be the end of that."
如果真的是越多武器越安全， - Um, if guns were... If more guns made people safer,
那美国就是世界上最安全的国家了。 then America would be one of the safest countries in the world.
但事实正好相反。 It isn't. It's the opposite.
吉尼斯郡 911报警台。
在布艾学校有个女生中枪了，
请您马上派一辆救护车过来。
那女孩在哪儿？
在我们班教室的地板上。 呕，上帝，她看上去糟透了。
她脸色苍白？
白得很可怕！
还有呼吸吗？
没了！
那那个开枪的孩子在哪儿？
在办公室。
她哪儿中枪了？
我不知道。我都不敢把她转过身来。
呕，上帝啊！上帝保佑！
我是在电视上看到那个求救电话的报道的， 真是令人震惊。 - I heard that 911 call, you know, on TV someplace.
It was horrible. It was just...
她（那个老师）不停地在那儿喊： “她不行了，请帮帮我！” - 'Cause he kept asking, "Where's the shooter?"
She said, "He's gone. I need some help."
那小女孩就躺在这儿？ --对，就在地板上。 - The little girl was in there too?
- She was on the floor, yes.
然后警察和急救人员就来了？ ---急救人员来了以后， - And the police and the medics came, or...
- By the time the medics were here...
他们就接管了一切。 The medics had just come in and I remember him stepping in
他们命令我们：“请你们出去。” and taking over the room. He said, "You have to leave."
警察和急救人员在的时候，什么都不用说了。 - All right. - And then when the meds come in,
when the police come in, you're no longer in control.
当时那个小姑娘还活着吗？ ---当时她的嘴唇已经发青了。 They take over the building. - Was she still alive then?
- Her lips had become totally blue.
在我的家乡，密歇根州的弗林特城， 一个6岁的布艾学校的一年级生， - Back in my hometown of Flint, Michigan,
a six-year-old first-grade boy, at Buell Elementary,
had found a gun at his uncle's house,
因为母亲要清理房子而暂时住到他 伯父那里，在那里他找到了一支手枪， where he was staying because his mother was being evicted.
他把手枪带到了学校里，并用它枪杀了同学 He brought the gun to school and shot another first-grader,
6岁的同学卡拉.罗兰德。 six-year-old Kayla Rolland.
她中了一枪后倒在了地板上，在她的老师 给警察打求救电话的时候就已经死去了。 With one bullet that passed through her body,
she fell to the floor and laid there dying
while her teacher called 911 for help.
没人知道，为什么这个男孩会想要杀掉这个女孩， No one knew why the little boy
这个在过去20年里经历了足够多的 令人震惊的事件或悲剧的城市， wanted to shoot the little girl.
As if the city had not been through
enough horror and tragedy
从此又保留了一个记录： 拥有美国年龄最小的校园杀手。 in the past two decades, it was now home
to a new record: the youngest school shooting ever
in the United States.
在发生枪击的早晨，30分钟之后媒体 直升机和卫星转播车就都已经到位。 On the morning of the shooting,
it only took the helicopters and satellite trucks
a half-hour to show up.
- They check in the truck.
You know, we're doing one in 30 minutes again.
预计成百上千人会参加今晚举行的葬礼。 - This evening, about seven o'clock,
will be a public memorial service. Hundreds of people
他们为卡拉而感到悲哀， will mourn the loss of little Kayla, a tiny little girl
这位喜欢披萨饼和特迪熊的可爱的小姑娘 who loved pizza, teddy bears,
过早地离开了我们。 and who was taken away from us much too soon. Gina?
早上好。葬仪公司正在分发成千的这种粉红的绶带， - Good morning, Christine. The funeral home now passing out
tens of thousands of these pink ribbons
以此来表达他们的同情之情。 to support the young girl's family.
这是一个让人心碎的日子，在 这个日子里我们会想念小卡拉的。 Today will be an emotional day and has been already,
remembering little Kayla.
杰夫.罗森，福克斯2台为您现场报道。 Jeff Ross, Fox-2 News.
干得好。 - Nice job.
是的，我知道我们有技术方面的问题！ - Yeah, Michelle, we're having technical problems, okay?
那找一下卫星转播车。 Well, don't talk to me about it, call our sat truck.
我得去理发了，我看上去像猪一样。 I need a haircut, man.
那走吧。 I'm a pig. A rug.
Here we go.
许多人还不知道该说些什么。 葬礼于19点正式开始。 Some too choked up even to speak about it.
There's a memorial service scheduled here
密歇根州弗林特，杰夫.罗森，Q13台为您现场报道。 for seven o'clock tonight.
We're live in Flint, Michigan, this afternoon.
Jeff Ross, Q-13 Reports.
谢谢。 Thank you. - Thank you.
你要发胶吗？ --应该会更好些的。 - Want some hairspray?
我有一支带着...... --我也有。 - I kind of need it, don't I? - Yeah, you do,
- I got some...
我有一支防飓风发胶。 - I have some. I just didn't put it in. I didn't have a chance.
I have hurricane-proof hairspray.
这位先生在为卡拉祈祷，然后他放飞了这只气球。 This man prayed for Kayla then let the balloon go.
阿，我们拿到彩色照片了...... I say we have the colour picture,
在这儿的电视台也曾参与报道柯伦拜中学事件。 not the black-and-white.
Plenty of media here that covered Columbine.
有些电视台像赶场子一样从一个 悲剧现场到另一个悲剧现场， You know, there are some networks, especially,
that go from, unfortunately, tragedy to tragedy.
真是很遗憾，到处看上去都差不多。 And, uh, I feel bad for them. Because that's all they see...
悲剧就是悲剧。 真是很遗憾，到处看上去都差不多。 And, uh, I feel bad for them. Because that's all they see...
悲剧就是悲剧。
The tragedies. 悲剧就是悲剧。
The tragedies.
我们想上17点的新闻， We're just trying to crunch right now
for the five and the six.
今天我们会把报道提供给CNN和FOX台。 Today, we're feeding CNN and Fox, so...
国家媒体永远也不会到毕奇学区的布艾学校， - The national media had never visited Buell Elementary,
or the Beecher school district in which it sat,
或是弗林特的这部分城区来。 or this part of Flint ever before.
只有很少的记者愿意花费工夫来这儿做现场报道， And few, if any, of these reporters bothered to visit it
even when they were here now.
如果他们愿意走得离学校或是停尸间更近一点 的话，他们也许会看到另外的一种悲剧，而或者 If they had ventured just a block away from the school
or the funeral home, they might have seen
会得到一些对这个小姑娘为 什么会死这个问题的回答。 a different kind of tragedy that, perhaps, would contain
some answers as to why this little girl was dead.
超过20年的时间，这个世界最大公司的诞生地 For over 20 years, this impoverished area,
in the hometown
始终保持着它的完全被遗忘的贫穷状态。 of the world's largest corporation,
had been ignored as completely as it had been destroyed.
这儿87%的学生生活在贫困线以下。 With 87% of the students living below
布艾或者毕奇又或者弗林特城并不符合被广泛接受和流传的故事底线， 一个被美国媒体广泛传播而形成的， the official poverty line,
Buell and Beecher, and Flint, did not fit into
the accepted and widely circulated story line
put forth by the nation's media.
That being the one about America
美国强大而不可战胜的经济。 That being the one about America
美国强大而不可战胜的经济。
and its invincible economy. 美国强大而不可战胜的经济。
and its invincible economy.
在弗林特的这个城区，年轻人最主要的死因是谋杀。 The number-one cause of death among young people
in this part of Flint was homicide. The football field,
毕奇地区的足球场是由一个丧葬公司赞助的。 at Flint-Beecher, was sponsored by a funeral home.
The kids at Beecher have won
毕奇学区的学生赢得过13座跨地区的田径奖杯。 The kids at Beecher have won
毕奇学区的学生赢得过13座跨地区的田径奖杯。
13 state track championships, 毕奇学区的学生赢得过13座跨地区的田径奖杯。
但是他们从来没有机会在自己的地方比赛， 因为在足球场之外的地方只有污泥和脏东西。 but they've never had 毕奇学区的学生赢得过13座跨地区的田径奖杯。
但是他们从来没有机会在自己的地方比赛， 因为在足球场之外的地方只有污泥和脏东西。 but they've never had
a home track meet.
Because around the football field,
all they have is this dirt ring.
很多年前开始，这个街区的道路就 开始以著名大学的名字来命名， Years ago, someone here named the streets,
in this part of town, after all the Ivy League schools,
人总是向往过更好的日子和生活的。 as if they had dreamed of better days
and something greater for themselves.
这对于孩子们来说是好的， - The children are doing well.
对老师来说也一样。 但我们不应该忘记， The faculty and staff are doing well.
我们不应该忘记。 But we don't forget.
We don't forget.
这永远不应该再次发生...... Just don't want this happening to anybody else, you know?
It's... [ She sighs ]
我知道， - I know.
我也想这种事情不再发生。 I know. I don't want it to happen to anybody else either.
好了。 - Hmm... - It's okay. It's okay.
It's okay.
对不起。 I'm sorry. - That's all right.
行了行了。 对不起。 I'm sorry. - That's all right.
行了行了。
从我冰冷的死亡之手中！ [ Charlton Heston ]: ...from my cold, dead hands!
就像在发生柯伦拜中学惨案之后那样， [ cheering ] - Just as he did
这次查尔顿.贺斯顿又出现在了弗林特的 一个大规模支持拥有武器的集会上。 after the Columbine shooting, Charlton Heston showed up
in Flint to have a big pro-gun rally.
自由从来没有像现在这样受到威胁， 所以现在也是前所未有的重要， - Freedom has never seen
greater peril nor needed you more urgently
拿起武器来保卫自己，就像现在这样。 to come to her defence than now.
在赫斯顿到弗林特城之前，乔治城的 和亚报就小卡拉事件对他进行了采访。 - Before he came to Flint, Heston was interviewed
by the Georgetown Hoya about Kayla's death,
甚至国家枪支所有者协会的主页也报道了这次采访。 and even his own NRA website talked about it.
我们希望国家枪支所有者协会知道， 我们并没有忘记小卡拉， - We wanted to let the NRA know that we haven't forgotten
他们怎么就会想到还来这里？ about Kayla Rolland.
How could they come here? To me, it's like they're rubbing
我感到震惊和愤怒。 our nose in it. I was shocked
赫斯顿被一个当地记者问及，为什么 会在小卡拉事件后来弗林特城。 and appalled that they would come here.
- Heston was asked by a local reporter why he came to Flint
after the tragedy at Buell,
国家枪支所有者协会又会对6岁小孩 就使用武器这件事作什么评价。 and what did the NRA have to say
about six-year-olds using guns.
我们每年支出2100万美元， - We spend $20 million every year
就是为了让6岁的孩子知道： and then we teach you... to five and six-year-olds,
“如果你看见武器，不要去碰它， we say, "If you see a gun, don't touch it,
离开那间屋子，去找一个大人来。” leave the room, call an adult."
然后就是这小子的事， - And then Moses himself showed up.
在弗林特这儿？ --对，就这件事。 - Right here in the city of Flint?
有没有要求把这孩子告上法庭的？ - Right here in Flint.
- Were there people that wanted you to try this child,
Arthur Busch County Prosecutor, Flint, Michigan
我收到来自全美国的信，电话，EMAIL， or even try him as an adult? - Oh... Oh, yeah.
There were people from all over America that wrote and called
我觉得这真是不可思议， and sent mail and... It was amazing to me, um...
就连那些赞同国家枪支所有者协会的组织， groups that were affiliated with the NRA -
就是那些对武器发狂的人， groups, you know, people that I call "gun nuts" -
也对我说，那是很糟糕的事情， writing me and telling me what a horrible thing it was
如果对房屋主人也要警告他，随 时小心带进家的武器的话。 that I had admonished homeowners in our country
to be careful about bringing weapons into their home.
他们是真想把这孩子在最高的树上吊死。 to be careful about bringing weapons into their home.
他们是真想把这孩子在最高的树上吊死。
They wanted this little boy hung from the highest tree. 他们是真想把这孩子在最高的树上吊死。
They wanted this little boy hung from the highest tree.
有那么多的下意识性的种族主义，仇恨和愤怒， I mean, there was such an undercurrent of racism
and hate and anger.
真是很糟糕的感觉。 It was ugly.
这幅画就是那个开枪的小孩画的，
- That's a picture that the little boy that was involved 这幅画就是那个开枪的小孩画的，
in the Buell-school shooting... 这幅画就是那个开枪的小孩画的，
Once he was brought back here to our office, 这幅画就是那个开枪的小孩画的，
Once he was brought back here to our office,
在发生那件事15分钟之后， about 15 minutes after the shooting took place,
我给了他一些笔让他画， I gave him some crayons to kind of occupy him a little bit.
然后他画了这个给我。 Michael Caldwell Police Detective
那时候画挂在这儿。 He came over and drew that picture for me.
Because at the time, I had pictures right behind my desk
而他也想为我再画一幅。 that my children had drew for me and he wanted to draw me one.
他说过他画了些什么吗？ - This is what he drew for you. What did he say this was?
画的是他在家的样子。 ---在这儿的家里的样子？ - That's him at his house.
为什么又保留下来了呢？ - That's him at his house, right here.
And why did you decide to hang on to it?
因为这件事情太沉重了。 - Because of the gravity of the situation and what had occurred
而且他也希望我把这幅画挂在这儿。 and he asked me to hang that behind my desk,
我就为它做了个框架挂在这儿。 so I put it in a frame and that's where it'll stay.
塔马拉.欧文斯是这个6岁男孩的母亲， - Tamarla Owens was the mother of the six-year-old boy.
为了能养活她的孩子们， In order to get food stamps and health care for her children,
她参与了密歇根州的“工作代替社会补助”的计划。
Tamarla was forced to work as part of the state of Michigan's 她参与了密歇根州的“工作代替社会补助”的计划。
Welfare-to-Work Program. 她参与了密歇根州的“工作代替社会补助”的计划。
Welfare-to-Work Program.
这个计划成功地帮助了很多穷人 摆脱一味接受社会补助的窘境， This program was so successful
in tossing poor people off welfare
以至于这个计划的创始人，吉拉德.米勒很快就被 that it's founder,
Gerald Miller, was soon hired
负责把大多数州的社会保障 系统私有化的公司所录用。 by the number-one firm in the country that states turned to
to privatize their welfare systems.
这个公司就是洛克西德马丁公司。 to privatize their welfare systems.
这个公司就是洛克西德马丁公司。
That firm was Lockheed Martin. With the cold war over 这个公司就是洛克西德马丁公司。
That firm was Lockheed Martin. With the cold war over
在冷战结束后，让人恐惧的敌人消失了， That firm was Lockheed Martin. With the cold war over
在冷战结束后，让人恐惧的敌人消失了，
and no enemy left to frighten the public, 在冷战结束后，让人恐惧的敌人消失了，
and no enemy left to frighten the public,
洛克西德找到了最能从人们的恐惧中得利的方法。 Lockheed had found the perfect way to diversify
and the perfect way
to profit from people's fears,
只是现在的敌人更近了。 with an enemy much closer to home:
那些像塔马拉.欧文斯一样贫穷的黑人母亲们， poor black mothers
比如一个单亲母亲，整天花费大量时间来去工作， like Tamarla Owens.
- We've got a one-parent family and the mother's travelling 60 miles.
Sheriff Robert Pickell Flint, Michigan
作为一个社区该怎么来帮助她们呢？ An hour, an hour and a half away to go to work
an hour, an hour and a half to come home.
但国家希望这些父母能重新负起责任来...... How does that help a community? But that's part of the state...
you know, making parents responsible, making them work--
“工作代替社会补助”这种计划应该被终止。 - Welfare to work. - Welfare to work.
That's a program that ought to be stopped
通过它并不能达到什么目标。 because it really has no merit.
I think it adds more to the problem
只会使情况更糟。 ---真的吗？ than it does to solve it.
- Really? - I do.
作为地区警长你是这样想的？ ---是的。 - You're the sheriff and you feel this way.
我希望每个家庭里都有同样负责任的父亲母亲， - I do, I do. I wish I could put two parents in every home
and make every parent equally responsible,
but I can't do that.
但我们也把那些单亲父母亲们送上车， But we're not doing anything by taking one parent
让他们也能不管去哪儿也能做点每小时5.5美元的活。 and putting them on a bus and sending them out of town
to make $5.50 an hour.
这辆大客车每天早晨都会去接他们， 从而让他们能摆脱一味接受社会救济的状况。 - This is the bus that she was forced to ride every day
in order to work off the welfare money
the state had given her.
每天很多来自弗林特的穷人， She, and many others from Flint who were poor,
每天开80英里去奥克兰的阿泊西斯， 那儿可能是州里面最富的地区了。 would make the 80-mile round-trip journey every day,
from Flint to Auburn Hills, in Oakland County,
one of the wealthiest areas in the country.
塔马拉每天很早就离开家，然后要很晚才能回到家。 Tamarla would leave
early in the morning and return late at night,
她的孩子们她很少有时间照看他们。 rarely seeing her young children.
所以说这工作又能带来些什么呢？ 她的孩子们她很少有时间照看他们。 rarely seeing her young children.
所以说这工作又能带来些什么呢？
从中国家或者弗林特城又能得到些什么呢？ - What's the point in doing that? Where does the state benefit? 所以说这工作又能带来些什么呢？
从中国家或者弗林特城又能得到些什么呢？ - What's the point in doing that? Where does the state benefit?
Where does Flint and Genesee County benefit from that?
一个孩子死了。 这可能只是揭示了问题的一部分。 We have a child dead. I think that may be, in part,
我们送走了唯一的父亲或母亲去工作， part of the problem.
We drove the one parent out.
如果这儿有谁宣称， Now, you or anybody else that can tell me
这是因为社区的需要， that that best serves the community,
那我只能摇摇头。 I shake my head and wonder why.
你们乘这车多久了？ - How long you been riding the bus?
大概3年吧。 - I've been working here
just about three years now. - About three years?
我的哥哥也在这儿工作。 我的一半邻居在这儿工作。 - Yeah. My brother... I got my brother working here,
half of my neighbourhood works out here.
几乎我所有认识的人都在购物中心工作。 Just about everybody I know personally works in the mall.
在弗林特，干同样的工作只能拿到最低工资待遇。 In Flint, doing the same thing I'm doing now,
我坐车离开这里40英里，就是 为了每个小时能多挣3美元。 they only pay minimum wage in Flint. I come 40 miles
to make three or four dollars more an hour.
这儿的小时工资是多少？ ---8.5美元。 - How much do you make an hour? - I make 8.50 now.
够养活自己吗？ ---不够。 - Is that enough to pay the bills?
您认识那个开枪杀死一个小姑娘的男孩的母亲塔马拉吗？ - No.
- So did you know Tamarla Owens,
the woman whose son shot the little girl?
她也坐这车。 ---不是很熟悉。 I think she rode this bus. - I knew her a little bit.
只知道一点点。 ---她还比较友好吧？ Not real good. - Nice lady?
还不错，干自己的活。她有两份工作。 - Yeah, she was okay. She came to work every day, did her job.
两份工作？ ---是的，就是为了能养家糊口。 She worked two jobs, so... - She worked two jobs?
- She was trying to make ends meet.
"We're going hopping We're going hopping today
这是迪克.克拉克的美国STAND乐队开的饭店， 塔马拉在这儿有一份工作。 "Where things are popping...
- This is Dick Clark's American Bandstand Grill,
where Tamarla worked one of her two jobs.
"On the Bandstand Bandstand"
在这儿她做过酒台。 - I think she worked in this room here, as a bartender,
她调一些酒，做一些甜点， fountain-person making drinks, making shakes, desserts.
她干地怎么样？ --不错不错。 - Was she a good employee? - Yeah, she was.
她还在旁边的糕点店里做过事。 She also worked at the Fudgery, in the mall here.
这是国家给她安排的工作。
迪克.克拉克绝对是美国偶像。 - Dick Clark is an American icon,
他每个星期都带着他的乐队把摇滚音乐带入千家万户。 the man who brought rock'n'roll into our homes every week
人生命的每一部分都跟一种音乐相连， on American Bandstand.
- Every part of your life, you can link up
就像迪克所说的那样：“音乐就是人生的音轨。” to a part of music, usually. So, as Dick says,
"It's the soundtrack of our lives."
Music's the soundtrack of our lives.
在阿布西尔的他的饭店和糕点店能 享受到特别的税务优惠待遇， Music's the soundtrack of our lives.
在阿布西尔的他的饭店和糕点店能 享受到特别的税务优惠待遇，
- His restaurant and the Fudgery, here in Auburn Hills, 在阿布西尔的他的饭店和糕点店能 享受到特别的税务优惠待遇，
applied for special tax breaks because they were using 在阿布西尔的他的饭店和糕点店能 享受到特别的税务优惠待遇，
applied for special tax breaks because they were using
因为他雇佣社会救济金接纳者。 welfare people as employees.
虽然塔马拉两份工作每周工作70小时， Even though Tamarla worked up to 70 hours a week
at these two jobs
但还是不够钱支付房租。 in the mall, she did not earn enough to pay her rent.
在枪击事件发生一周前，她的房东 通知她，他不得不要求她腾空房子。 And one week before the shooting,
was told by her landlord
that he was evicting her.
什么都没有了，她也不愿意她的孩子离开学校， With nowhere to go and not wanting to take
her two children out of school, Tamarla asked her brother
所以她问她哥哥，孩子们能不能跟他住段时间， her two children out of school, Tamarla asked her brother
所以她问她哥哥，孩子们能不能跟他住段时间，
if they could stay with him for a few weeks. 所以她问她哥哥，孩子们能不能跟他住段时间，
if they could stay with him for a few weeks.
而就在那儿塔马拉的儿子找到了一 支32口径的手枪，并带着它去了学校。 It was there that Tamarla's son
found a small 32-calibre gun and took it to school.
塔马拉并没看见她的孩子带着枪去了学校， Tamarla did not see him take the gun to school,
她搭上了一辆国家的大客车， 去给富人们调饮料和做甜品。 because she was on a state bus to go serve drinks
and make fudge for rich people.
"Bandstand"
我决定飞去加里福尼亚，去问迪克.克拉克， I decided to fly out to California
贫穷的黑人母亲被迫要去做两份低收入工作， to ask Dick Clark what he thought about a system
that forces poor, single mothers to work
只是为了生存下去，他对这样的一种系统会有怎样的看法。 two low-wage jobs to survive.
我正在制作一部有关校园暴力和武器的纪录片， I'm doing a documentary on these school shootings
and, you know, guns and all that.
在我的家乡，密歇根的弗林特城，您知道的， And in my hometown of Flint Michigan, which you know,
一个6岁的孩子开枪杀死了另一个6岁的孩子， this little six-year-old shot a six-year-old--
进车去，代芙！ 小心！ - Get in the car, Dave! Watch your arm, watch your arm.
我们真的要迟到了。 - Oop, sorry, sorry. - I'm sorry, we're really late.
不管怎么说那个凶手的母亲 - Anyways, but the mother of the kid who did the shooting
是在奥克兰郡的迪克.克拉克的饭店工作。 ---忘了它吧，关上门！ works at Dick Clark's All-American Grill...
- Forget it. - ...in Oakland County...
还有那个给他们提供工作的计划...... ---关门！ - Close the door. - A Welfare-to-work program--
......逼着那些人......不，迪克！ ---再见。 - Close the door. - These people are forced...
您必须帮我说服密歇根的州长...... Dick, no... - Bye-bye. Come on, move over!
- I want you to help me convince the governor of Michigan...
这些妇女是被迫去工作的...... It's a Welfare-to-work pro... These women are forced to work!
她们还有孩子在家需要...... 迪克，哦！什么人啊！ They've got kids at home. Dick!
Ah, jeez!
在乔治.布什的美国，穷人没有优先权， In George Bush's America,
the poor were not a priority.
在2001年的9.11事件之后，这个国家的社会问题 And after September 11th, 2001,
correcting America's social problems
完全被恐惧，惊慌和其他的一些东西抢去了优先权， took a back seat to fear,
panic and a new set of priorities.
我们的人民一致通过， - One way to express our unity
并通过议会， is for Congress to set the military budget,
把防卫美国放在了第一位， the defence of the United States,
经济支援一切与之有关的项目。 as the number-one priority and fully fund my request!
我们出售带风帽和手套的防护服， - We've been selling a lot of chemical suits,
with the gloves and the hoods.
还有很多防毒面具。 And we've been selling a lot of gas masks.
我买了一个给我自己，一个给我的小狗。 - I'm trying to get one for myself and my puppy.
丹尼斯.马克斯和他的夫人预先 储藏了很多的 [female reporter]: Denis Marks and his wife
武器弹药。 have been stocking up supplies.
- Weapons, ammunition...
沃马特（大型连锁超市）在9.11之后 武器销售额增长了70%， [ male reporter]: Wal-Mart says after September 11th,
gun sales surged 70%,
弹药更是增长了140%。 ammunition up 140%.
在达拉斯，本.拉登被印在了标靶上。 In Dallas, they're already taking potshots
at Osama bin Laden.
在9.11之后的几个月，恐惧 紧紧抓住了美国人的灵魂。 - In the months following the 9/11 attacks,
we, Americans, were gripped in a state of fear.
没人知道我们自己是否也会 有一天丧生于恐怖分子之手。 None of us knew if we too would die
也许有一天我们正好坐在一个疯子旁 边，而他过一会儿就会引爆他的鞋子。 at the hands of the evildoers,
or who might be sitting
威胁变得非常现实。 next to some crazy guy trying to light his shoes on fire.
也许你认为我有偏执狂，但我不想冒险。 The threat seemed very real.
- Sounds a little paranoid but I'm not gonna take the chance.
我要保卫我的家庭。 Just trying to protect myself and my family.
我们日渐增长的恐惧对有些人来说却是很好的商机。 - Our growing fears were turned
into a handsome profit for many.
麦克.布拉克在上个月卖掉了比 平时多30%的警报系统。 - Mike Blake has seen
a 30% increase in sales at ADT
他认为，人们还是受到9.11恐怖袭击的影响。 over the last month.
Most of the people he talks to are still a little uneasy
over the September 11th terrorist attacks.
为什么我们会有那么多的恐惧？ 因为有人以此挣钱， - How are we afraid of all these things, it's because
a lot of people are making a lot of money off of it
还有人甚至以此建功立业。 and a lot of careers off of it.
这方面的兴趣不断在扩大， And so, there's vested interests,
还有人努力在保持这种恐惧。 a lot of activity to keep us afraid.
最好的对付拔出地毯刀的恐怖分子的方法 - And what better way to fight box-cutter-wielding terrorists
就是预定创记录数量的洛克西德的战斗机。 than to order a record number of fighter jets
对，所有的人都感到更安全了。 特别是看到军队在公园路收垃圾的时候。 from Lockheed?
Yes, everyone felt safer, especially with the army
但是对于一个受到恐怖主义威胁 的国家来说，最大的优势就在于 doing garbage detail on Park Avenue.
And the greatest benefit of all of a terrorized public
经济或是政治方面的领导人却 不会被恐怖主义所涉及。 is that the corporate
and political leaders can get away with just about anything.
我找不到更好的例子了， and political leaders can get away with just about anything.
我找不到更好的例子了，
特别是对于一个讲求一手交钱，一手交货的政府来说， - I've never seen a better example 我找不到更好的例子了，
特别是对于一个讲求一手交钱，一手交货的政府来说， - I've never seen a better example
就像布什的管理方式和恩龙公司的案件。 of cash-and-carry government
than this Bush administration and Enron.
在世贸中心的恐怖事件后很多事我看不明白了。 - There were a lot of things that I didn't know
但一件事是很清楚的：不管是在9.11事件之前或是之后， after the World Trade Center attack,
but one thing was clear: whether it was before or after
一个在恐惧面前如此失控的民族，是没权 利让武器或是弹药达到如此的泛滥程度的。 September 11th, a public that's this out of control with fear
should not have a lot of guns or ammo laying around.
我曾被一支Tech-9击中过。 - Well, I was shot with a Tech-9.
9毫米口径？ - Nine millimetre?
- Yeah. Yeah, I was, uh...
好像应该是半自动的，但依我看是全自动的。 I guess it was supposed to be semi-automatic,
but it kind of seemed like fully automatic to me,
这是理查德.卡斯达多 from what I remember. - This is Richard Costaldo.
这是马克.泰勒。 And this is Mark Taylor. Both of these boys were shot
两个都在柯伦拜大屠杀中中枪受伤， 这是马克.泰勒。 And this is Mark Taylor. Both of these boys were shot
两个都在柯伦拜大屠杀中中枪受伤，
the day of the Columbine massacre. 两个都在柯伦拜大屠杀中中枪受伤，
the day of the Columbine massacre.
理查德终身瘫痪了，一生只能与轮椅作伴了。 Richard is paralyzed for life and in a wheelchair.
马克在经过了无数次手术后才重新站了起来。 And Mark is barely standing after numerous operations.
柯伦拜事件的凶手得到了惩罚。 - The kids at Columbine had to pay a penalty.
我们则在那一天代表整个国家受到了惩罚。 We paid a penalty that day... for this nation.
The way we look at it.
马克和理查德变成了残废。 - Mark and Richard were disabled and suffering
他们直到今天还被残留在他们身体内的 17 Cent K-Mart 子弹折磨得痛苦不堪。 from the 17-cent K-Mart bullets still embedded in their bodies.
在他们给我看他们身上的弹孔的时候， 我突然想到了一个可以 As they showed me the various entry points for the bullets,
I thought of one way we could reduce
有效减少武器弹药四处泛滥成灾的主意。 the number of guns and bullets laying around. I asked the boys
我问他们，也许他们愿意到K-Mart 店里 去把东西还给他们。 有效减少武器弹药四处泛滥成灾的主意。 the number of guns and bullets laying around. I asked the boys
我问他们，也许他们愿意到K-Mart 店里 去把东西还给他们。
if they'd like to go to K-Mart to return the merchandise. 我问他们，也许他们愿意到K-Mart 店里 去把东西还给他们。
if they'd like to go to K-Mart to return the merchandise.
你先走。 ---我？好的。
准备还了吗？ - Ready? - You... you go. 你先走。 ---我？好的。
K-Mart Headquarters Troy, Michigan
请把摄像机关掉！ - Hi.
- Excuse me, will you turn the camera off, please?
我们想同 Conaway 先生说话。 - We're here to see Mr. Conaway. - You have to turn the camera off
我必须先试图得到一个有关摄像的许可。 while you're in the building. - Oh, okay, all right.
请关了它。 Okay, turn it off now.
一个小时之后 [ One hour later] - Hey, Michael. - Hi, how are you?
我是Mary Lorencz， K-Mart 公关媒体主管。 - I'm Mary Lorenz. I'm director of Media Relations for K-Mart.
我能帮您什么吗？ ---噢，这儿介绍一下，是理查德.卡斯特罗。 - Oh, good. All right, good. - How can I help you today?
- Well, I'm here today... This is Richard Costaldo.
你好，理查德。 - Richard, nice to meet you. - And this is Mark Taylor.
这是马克.泰勒。 你好，理查德。 - Richard, nice to meet you. - And this is Mark Taylor.
这是马克.泰勒。
他们是柯伦拜学校的学生。 - Mark. - And they're students 这是马克.泰勒。
他们是柯伦拜学校的学生。 - Mark. - And they're students
他们在事件中被从这儿 K-Mart 卖出的子弹射伤了。 from Columbine High School. They were shot at Columbine,
in the massacre, with bullets from K-Mart.
从科罗拉多州过来路可不近阿。 - You came a long way. All the way from Colorado.
我想...... 既然您已经不再出售武器， - Yeah, I just... I was thinking that...
since you stopped selling the handguns and all,
也许逻辑的推论就是，也不会再卖子弹了。 it'd kind of make sense to stop selling the bullets too.
我们要求，贵公司全面取消9毫米 口径手枪子弹方面的业务。 - Our request is that you get rid of nine-millimetre bullets
and that you don't sell them in the store completely.
您知道K-Mart，我希望您也曾经是我们的顾客， 作为顾客您应该知道， - We do carry... You probably are aware of K-Mart -
hopefully, you're shoppers at our stores -
我们只出售运动枪械和...... that we do only carry, you know, sporting firearms
打猎用的附属产品。 and the accessories that go with the hunting sport.
我们会向我们的总裁Chuck Conaway 先生转达您的愿望。 And we'll certainly take your message to our chairman and CEO,
但他今天不在。 ---不在吗？ Chuck Conaway. He's not here today.
不在，整个星期都不在。 ---都不在吗？ - He's not here today? - No. He's not here, actually,
this whole week. - Not at all during the week?
有没有每人可买子弹数目的上限？ Do you have a limit on the number of bullets, ammunition,
这个问题我不能回答您。因为我不是销售人员。 that people can purchase? - You know, I can't answer
these questions for you. I'm not the merchandiser
他在吗？ who places those products in our stores.
我们会替您找出这个问题的答案来的， 如果您肯留下名片的话。 - Can we speak to that person?
- But I can get answers to those questions for you.
If you leave your card, I could get those answers for you.
我们不想留什么名片，事情是这样的： - We don't want to leave a card.
The reason why we can't take a card
在马克的主动脉旁2，5公分有一颗 你们K-Mart的子弹在那儿， and come back is because Mark here,
he's got a K-Mart bullet just an inch away... right?
- Yeah. - From your aorta.
就在动脉和脊柱之间。 - In between my aorta and spine. - Between your aorta and spine.
阿，很高兴你还能站起来。 - I'm glad to see that you're still able to stand.
我对他们说，这儿有人会愿意认真听你们说， - And I told him that somebody here would listen,
也会认真对待你们所提出的要求。 somebody here would... would...
would take the request seriously. Not just a PR person,
不是搞公关的，而是有实际权力的， would take the request seriously. Not just a PR person,
不是搞公关的，而是有实际权力的，
可以回答他们提出的问题的人。 but somebody who has some authority and can answer 不是搞公关的，而是有实际权力的，
可以回答他们提出的问题的人。 but somebody who has some authority and can answer
some of the questions that they want answered.
我们K-Mart 是很认真的对待这件事情的， 但我现在确实不能在为你们做什么了。 - K-Mart does care about this,
but I can't go any further right now.
那我想我必须打一些电话...... So until I make a call, um,
我看看管销售的那边有没有人在。 I'm gonna go back to the office
and see if there's anyone in merchandising...
Mary 就又上去了。 - Mary went back upstairs. And two hours later,
两个小时后她带来了负责替 K-Mart 采购子弹的家伙。 Mary 就又上去了。 - Mary went back upstairs. And two hours later,
两个小时后她带来了负责替 K-Mart 采购子弹的家伙。
she brought down this guy whose job it is to buy the bullets 两个小时后她带来了负责替 K-Mart 采购子弹的家伙。
记住不要生气。 for K-Mart. 两个小时后她带来了负责替 K-Mart 采购子弹的家伙。
记住不要生气。 for K-Mart.
- Good. Stay out of trouble. - Yes.
生气的倒不是我们。 - We're not the ones in trouble, guys.
马克给他看了他的伤口。 Mark thought he'd show him his bullet wounds.
是那些子弹造成的洞。 Those are his bullet holes. - Hm.
K-Mart 的子弹就是从这儿进去的。 - From your bullets.
That's where the K-Mart bullets went in.
再见。 - Well, take care.
还会有人下来吗？ - Is anybody else gonna come down?
还是就这样了？ Is anybody else gonna come down? Is that it?
我去看一下。. ----谢谢。 - I'll check. - Okay, thank you.
我们又等了几个小时。但再也没有人下来了。 We waited around a couple more hours
but no one else came down.
当我们离开这幢建筑的时候 马克倒又想到了一个主意。 As we left the building, Mark came up with an idea.
他建议去离得最近的另一家K-Mart ， He suggested that we go
然后去买子弹。 to the nearest K-Mart and buy out all their bullets.
尽量拿，能拿多少拿多少。 - Just take as many of those as you can.
在那儿上面。 - Yeah, you can come around here and look.
这儿还有什么？ - What else do we have over here?
你们还有 357号的吗？ 我拿了所有他们有的东西。 You got 357. Sure, I'll take 'em all, take everything you got.
你17岁。你呢？ ---16岁。 - So you're 17? You're what? - Sixteen.
他妈的！ - Wait.
- Oh, shit!
- Oh, my God...
马克买足了弹药。 - Mark pretty much cleaned them out of their ammunition.
第二天拿着弹药我们又去了 K-Mart 的总部。 And the next day, we decided to go back to K-Mart headquarters
这次我们带去了媒体记者。 with all the bullets. This time,
we brought the press.
接下去是东南密歇根的最新报道。 - Our local first coverage of south-eastern Michigan
continues now with all-new stories.
下一则消息提醒人们在夏天小心毒蛇， - Coming up here on our six-o'clock report,
还播出了一个被响尾蛇咬伤的母亲的图像。 a warning to everyone this summer to watch out for snakes.
You'll hear from a mom who was bitten by a rattlesnake.
柯伦拜事件中幸存的学生来到了这个城市， - And also, students who survived the Columbine massacre
他们对K-Mart非常不满。 are in town. They are very angry with K-Mart.
我们想同 K-Mart 的总裁对话。 - We're here to see Chuck Conaway, the chairman of K-Mart.
你们好吗？ ----很好，又见到您了。 - How you doing, sir? It's always a pleasure.
Okay, uh...
They would like to speak to Mr. Conaway.
这儿是 9毫米口径手枪的子弹。 - Here's the nine-millimetres.
类似的子弹到现在还残留在理查德和 These are the bullets that are in both Richard
马克的身体里面。 and in Mark's body right now.
请您拿着它。 我不想拿它们。
请您去外面，马上就会有人来的。 - Move your group outside.
I'll have somebody here in five minutes.
而且请您不要堵着门。 - Do me a favour, don't block the door.
您会派人出来？ Just off to the side, if you would.
- Will go outside and somebody will come out.
我是Laurie McTavish,，K-Mart 交流方面的副总裁。 - My name's Laurie McTavish.
I'm the Vice-president of Communications for K-Mart.
我想以公司的名义发表一项声明。 I'm happy to deliver a statement on behalf of the company.
在科罗拉多州柯伦拜中学发生的事， 是悲剧性的，也让所有的美国人为之侧目。 What happened in Columbine, Colorado, was truly tragic
而由此给这两位孩子带来的严重 后果，对此我们表示遗憾。 and touched every American.
We're sorry for the...
disadvantage to this young man.
K-Mart 会逐步取消在武器弹药方面的经营业务。 K-Mart is phasing out the sale of handgun ammunition.
计划是整个美国范围内， The business plan calls for this to be complete
业务的取消在90天内完成。 in the continental U.S. within the next 90 days.
K-Mart 的代表昨天与 Moore 先生， - Wow! Wow!
以及柯伦拜中学的学生也进行了会谈， - K-Mart representatives met with Mr. Moore
and the students from Columbine, Colorado, yesterday,
听取了一下他们对于 K-Mart 销售物品的反对意见， and listened to their concerns about the product
carried in K-Mart stores.
所以公司在这次会面后承诺： The company committed, at the end of that meeting,
一个星期之内拿出解决方案。 that K-Mart would have an answer for them within a week's time.
首先我们必须感谢 - Well, the first thing we want to do is thank you
你们不会再在你们的商店中销售武器弹药。 for committing to no longer selling handgun ammunition
90天之后...... -......这件事也因而结束了. in your stores. And within 90 days--
- The process will be phased out within 90 days.
90天之后就不会再有枪械弹药了? - And after 90 days, there will be no more selling
of ammunition that can go into handguns or assault weapons.
在我们的店里不会再有了。 - Firearm ammunition, will be... We will not sell it,
after 90 days, in our stores.
我们对此感到很高兴。 - We greatly appreciate that. - Thank you.
非常感谢，这确实很棒。 - Thank you very much. Thank you. That's very brave.
我真是感到兴奋极了！ 因为这比我们要求的更多。 Thank you. Wow!
That blows my mind. That's more than what we asked for.
真是令人惊讶。 - It's remarkable. - Yeah. Well, like I told you--
你想到过会有这样的结局吗？ ----没有。 - I didn't think-- - Did you think?
我们已经想...... 回机场去了。 - No! - We're like, uh...
We're just getting ready to... We're going to the airport.
柯伦拜的学生打赢了一场对K-Mart 的大仗。 The kids from Columbine had scored an overwhelming victory
而我也有些蠢蠢欲动，想做我早就想做的事情了。 against K-Mart and it inspired me
to do something that I knew I had to do.
我只需要一张有关明星的分布地图。 All I needed... was a star map.
[ ringing gate bell ]
[ phone ringing ]
赫斯顿先生？ 这儿是 Michael Moore。 - Hello? - Mr. Heston?
- Yeah. - This is Michael Moore.
就是那个拍片子的。 ----我知道，我知道。 - Yes. - The film-maker?
你还好吗？ ---很好，谢谢。 - Yes, of course. - Yes. How you doing?
我想问一下，能不能抽时间和您谈谈。 - Fine, thank you.
- Listen, I was wondering if maybe I could talk to you.
我们正在拍一部纪录片。 We're making a documentary about the whole gun issue.
是有关武器方面的问题。 我是国家枪支所有者协会的会员。 我们正在拍一部纪录片。 We're making a documentary about the whole gun issue.
是有关武器方面的问题。 我是国家枪支所有者协会的会员。
我们能谈一下吗？ And I'm a member of the NRA. 是有关武器方面的问题。 我是国家枪支所有者协会的会员。
我们能谈一下吗？ And I'm a member of the NRA.
I thought maybe we could talk a little bit about--
我看一下我的日程表。 - Tell you what, let me look at my calendar.
也许明天我会有点时间。 我正好有访客。 I may be able to give you some time tomorrow.
那就...... 对不起......？ I have some people here now. - Okay, well, how can I--
您等一下，不要挂。 ----好的，谢谢。 Pardon me? - Hold the phone.
我明天早上有点时间。 应该是星期四吧？ - Okay, thank you. - Okay.
I can give you a little time tomorrow morning.
I think that's Thursday. - Yes.
8点半。 ---上午吗？ - Let's say 8:30. - Eight-thirty in the morning?
这儿？ - Yeah. Okay? - Okay. And just come here?
好的。 - Yes. - Okay, good.
第二天 好的。 - Yes. - Okay, good.
第二天
[ phone ringing ] - Hello?
Michael Moore。我和查尔顿.赫斯顿先生约好的。 - Hi. It's Michael Moore here to see Charlton Heston.
- Okay. [ beeping ]
[ theme music from "Mr. Roger's Neighborhood" ]
- Hi. Good morning.
您还好吗？ How are you? - Fine.
非常感谢您来迎接我。 - Thank you very much for agreeing to see me.
他带我去他的游泳池和网球室，以 便我们能在那儿随便聊上几句。 He took me out to his pool-and-tennis house
so we could have a chat.
我告诉他我是国家枪支所有者协会的终身会员， 还给他看了我的会员证。 I told him that I was a lifetime member of the NRA
and showed him my membership card.
不错。 做的很好。 - Good for you. Well done.
您家里有武器吗？ ---当然。 - I assume you have guns in the house here?
邪恶的东西就有东西对付了。 - Indeed I do. Bad guys take notice!
为了保护自己？ ---是的，当然是这样。 - So you have them for protection?
您曾经成为过犯罪行为的受害者吗？ ---还没有。 - Yeah. Sure. - Have you ever been
从来没被袭击过？ a victim of crime? - No. No.
- Never been assaulted or...? - No.
但您还是在家里放了武器？ - No violence toward you, but you have guns in the house.
上了膛的。 ----真的上了膛的？ - Loaded. - They're loaded?
你如果想要用武器来保护自己， 当然是要上了膛的。 - Well, if you really needed a weapon for self-defence,
you need it loaded. - Okay, but why...
为什么您需要这么一件武器？ ----我一件都不需要。 why do you need it for self-defence? Because--
阿，也对，您从来也没被袭击过...... ---就是这样。 - I don't. - Yeah, you've never been
a victim of crime, you haven't been assaulted.
那为什么您不把子弹退下来呢？ - No, that's true. - You haven't been, you know...
Why would you... So why not... Why don't you unload the gun?
因为宪法第二修正案赋予我权力去让子弹上膛。 - Because the second amendment gives me the right
我完全同意您的观点。 to have it loaded. - I agree.
我是说，那个修正案...... ---这样我感觉更好一些。 I totally agree with that. I'm just saying... I mean,
the second amendment gives me--
- Let's say it's a comfort factor.
有意识的在这儿竖一支上膛的枪？ - It gives you comfort to know that there's a loaded gun.
这就是说，您由此可以放松了...... - Yeah.
- Comfort meaning that it allows you to relax and feel safe?
我不需要再担心了。 ---就是说没有恐惧感了？ - Not worry about it. - Not worry, not be afraid.
我没有恐惧感...... - And I'm not really, but, uh...
我只是享受一项由 I'm exercising one of the rights passed on down to me
那些打下这片江山的聪明的老白人 所制定的法律而赋予我的权力。 我只是享受一项由 I'm exercising one of the rights passed on down to me
那些打下这片江山的聪明的老白人 所制定的法律而赋予我的权力。
from those wise, old, dead white guys that invented this country. 那些打下这片江山的聪明的老白人 所制定的法律而赋予我的权力。
什么在当时对他们来说是好的 ，那现在对我也一样。 If it was good enough for them, it's good enough for me. 那些打下这片江山的聪明的老白人 所制定的法律而赋予我的权力。
什么在当时对他们来说是好的 ，那现在对我也一样。 If it was good enough for them, it's good enough for me.
您也可以用不上膛的枪来享受这份权力。 - But you could still exercise the right,
just by having a gun unloaded and locked away somewhere.
这是我自己的选择。 - I choose to have it.
我觉得很有趣，那些宣称没有我们那么高的 - What sort of strikes me as interesting is that,
谋杀犯案率的人总是在说， in other countries, where they don't have the murder rate,
他们拥有的枪少一些。 the gun-murder rate that we have, that, uh...
many people say,
"Well, that's because they don't have guns around.
武器在英国和德国是很难弄到手的。 It's hard to get a gun in Britain or Germany or whatever."
但在加拿大，1000万户居民里有700万件武器。 But we went to Canada and there's seven million guns
不会再持续很长时间了。 in 10-million homes. - There won't be very long.
等一下。 加拿大可是个猎人的国家阿， - But hear me out, though. - Okay.
- Canada is a nation of hunters,
是有上百万的武器，但那儿去年 只发生了几起谋杀案。 millions of guns,
and yet, they had just a few murders last year.
3000万人口的大国家。 我的问题是： That's it. A country of 30-million people.
为什么在他们那儿有那么多的武器， Now, why - here's my question - why is it that...
that they've got all these guns laying around,
但却不会像我们这儿这样自相残杀呢？ yet they don't kill each other
我认为，美国的历史 at the level that we kill each other?
- I think American history is...
就是一部双手沾满鲜血的历史。 uh... has a lot of blood
德国的历史不是吗？ 而或者英国？ on its hands. - And Germany history doesn't?
没那么厉害。 - No. - And British history?
就是说，德国人手上的鲜血少一些？ - I don't think as much. - Oh, are you...
Germans don't have as much, blood on their hands?
不，他们差不多。 - Uh, they do, yes. - The Brits, they ruled the world
那英国人可是超过300年用 武器暴力来统治全世界的啊？ 不，他们差不多。 - Uh, they do, yes. - The Brits, they ruled the world
那英国人可是超过300年用 武器暴力来统治全世界的啊？
for 300 years at the barrel of a gun. 那英国人可是超过300年用 武器暴力来统治全世界的啊？
for 300 years at the barrel of a gun.
那是野蛮民族。流氓，犯罪，武器...... They're all violent people. They have bad guys, they have crime,
they have lots of guns--
这倒是个很有趣的观点，可以研究一下。 - Well, it's an interesting point, which can be explored
您想怎么样就怎么样， and you're good to explore it at great lengths,
多我就不说了。 but I think that's about all I have to say on it.
您对我们是唯一每年有那么多人被打死 - You don't have any opinion, though, as to why that is,
的国家这一点就没有什么想法吗？ that we are the unique country, the only country,
that does this, that kills each other on this level, with guns?
嗯，也许是因为我们有 - Well, we have, probably, more mixed ethnicity
比其他国家更复杂的种族构成。 than other countries, some other countries.
那就是说，您认为这是个种族融合的问题了？ ----不，我认为没那么严重。 - You think it's an ethnic thing?
- No, I don't. It's...
开始在人权上我们就有足够多的问题。 I wouldn't go so far as to say that.
We had enough problems with civil rights in the beginning.
对此我没有答案。 It's... But, uh, I have no answer for that.
什么叫 "混合的种族性"？ 我不太理解这个概念。 - What do you mean, you think it's a mixed ethnicity?
您问到，为什么有那么多美国人互相结果对方。 I don't understand.
- You said, "How is it that..." - That we're unique.
- "So many Americans kill each other?"
我不知道，那样的说法是否妥当...... I don't know that that's true, but, uh...
但我们知道，我们有比其他 国家更多的使用武器的凶杀案。 - Well, no, you know that.
We know we have the highest murder rate with guns.
我只会重复我的回答。 It's way higher than any other country.
- The only answer I can give you is the one I already gave you.
那是？ - The only answer I can give you is the one I already gave you.
就是我们是...... - Which is? - Which is that we have, uh...
我们拥有比其他大多数国家 更血腥，更暴力的历史。 - Historically-- - ...a history of violence.
Perhaps more than most countries. Not more than Russia,
除了比不上俄国或是日本。 ---应该还有德国。 not more than Japan or China-- - Not more than Germany.
还有德国。 但绝对比加拿大的要暴力些。 - Not more than Germany, but certainly more than Canada.
我来自密歇根州的弗林特城。 - I come from Flint, Michigan, and last year,
去年那儿有个6岁的男孩打死了 同班的一个小女孩。 我来自密歇根州的弗林特城。 - I come from Flint, Michigan, and last year,
去年那儿有个6岁的男孩打死了 同班的一个小女孩。
a little six-year-old boy took a gun into a classroom 去年那儿有个6岁的男孩打死了 同班的一个小女孩。
and shot and killed a six-year-old girl. And, uh... 去年那儿有个6岁的男孩打死了 同班的一个小女孩。
and shot and killed a six-year-old girl. And, uh...
是个悲剧。 ---都还只是孩子阿。 it was really a tragic thing--
是的，两个都是6岁。 您听说过这件事吗？6岁的孩子打死了6岁的孩子！ - This was a kid, though. - A six-year-old, yeah.
Did you hear about this?
我的问题是： 在这一切都发生之后， A six-year-old shooting a six-year-old?
- Yeah. - Well, here's my question.
您来到弗林特城还举行了一个大活动。 After that happened,
you came to Flint and held a big rally.
- Mm-hm.
- And, you know, I just--
副总统也是。 - So did the vice-president.
您不觉得这样的安排对于这个社区 所承受的一切来说有些不合拍吗？ - Yeah, but did you feel it was being at all insensitive
to the fact that this community had just gone through--
当时我真的并不了解情况。 我们在那天早上到...... - Actually, I wasn't aware of that at the time we came.
会场然后继续往下一站赶，就是这样。 We came and did an early-morning, uh... rally,
then went on to wherever we were going.
您当时不知道这件凶杀案？ - You didn't know at the time, that this killing had happened?
如果您事先知道的话...... -... 也许我就会取消行程？ - No. - Had you known, would you have--
- Would I have cancelled the... uh...
我......我并不肯定。 ---您的来访并没有事先就定下来。 - Yeah. - I don't...
Hard to say.
- It wasn't like it was already planned.
也就是说您在这个可怕的事件 发生后临时决定来我们这儿。 I mean, the choice to come there was made
after this horrible killing took place.
知道了您还会来吗？ - Yeah. Mm-hm.
- You know, had you know that, would you have come?
我不知道。 真的一点概念都没有。 - I don't know. I have no idea.
也许不来了？ - Maybe not. Maybe not. - Okay. Thank you.
您愿意为了您当时的举动向 弗林特城的居民道歉吗？ - You think you'd like to just maybe apologize to the people
in Flint for coming and doing that at that time, or...?
您想让我向弗林特城的居民道歉？ - You want me to apologize...
或者向柯伦拜中学的人们道歉， 因为您在那场悲剧发生后也出现在那儿了？ me, apologize to the people in Flint?
- Or the people in Columbine
为什么您总是在悲剧发生后去那些城市？ for coming after their horrible tragedy.
Why do you go to the places after they have
我觉得，我是您协会的成员， these horrible tragedies? I'm a member of your group here--
但我恐怕我们的观点并不一样。 - Well, I'm afraid we don't agree on... on that.
您认为出现在那儿的举动是一点问题也没有喽？ - You think it's okay to just come and show up
at these events. - No.
您认为这样不对吗？ - You don't think it's okay?
赫斯顿先生，还有一件事。 Mr. Heston, just one more thing.
就是她了。 This is who she is -
这个小女孩曾经是这样的。 or was. This is her.
这儿， 赫斯顿先生， 请不要走开。 Mr. Heston, please don't leave.
您应该好好看看。 这就是那个小姑娘。 Mr. Heston, please, take a look at her.
This is the girl.
我离开了在贝佛利山上的赫斯顿的庄园， 重新回到现实世界， I left the Heston estate atop Beverly Hills
and walked back into the real world,
一个在恐惧中继续生活和呼吸下去的美国...... an America living and breathing in fear...
您可以设想一下， In your mind, you imagine somebody
某人闯入您的家中，想对您和 您的家人做些恐怖的坏事， who might break into your house, to harm you or your family.
这样的一个坏蛋又会是怎么样的一个长相呢？ What does that person look like?
也许就长得像您，她，他或是随便谁。 也许就像摄影师那样。 - You. Her. Him. The camera guy, anybody.
Could be a gun in the camera, I don't know.
......然后武器卖得越来越多...... - Where gun sales were now at an all-time high...
您射击，就像一部半自动机器一样。 - Can shoot as fast as Wesson semi-automatic.
然后好像是柯伦拜的保龄球作出了的 带有一丝神秘感的预示的结果那样， - And where, in the end,
it all comes back to bowling
百老汇保龄球中心的三个员工在星期天被打死了， for Columbine.
- Three bowling-alley employees shot to death Sunday night
我本来什么都不知道。 at the AMF Broadway Lanes.
- There's nothing I really know. I really don't know anything.
只是说死了三个？ ---在 Littleton。在保龄球中心。 - Just that three people died. - Right.
奉带送上我的同情。 ---今天继续有个好心情吧。 - In Littleton, in a bowling alley.
I'm sorry.
是的，在这个时代作为一个美国 人是一件很光荣的事情。 Yes, it was a glorious time to be an American.
"I see trees of green
"Red roses too
"I see them bloom
"For me and you
"And I think to myself
"What a wonderful world
"I see skies of blue
"And clouds of white
"The bright sunny day
"The dark sacred night
"And I think to myself
"What a wonderful world
"The colours of the rainbow
"All so pretty in the sky
"Are also on the faces
"Of the people walking by
"I see friends shakin' hands
"Sayin' How do you do
"They're really saying
"I love you
"I see babies cryin'
"I watch them grow
"They'll learn much more
"Than I'll ever know
"And I think to myself
"What a wonderful world
"And I think to myself
"What a wonderful world...
"And I say to myself
"What a wonderful
"World"